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Hi, Doc, to be honest with you, EdB's comment makes sense, but not yours. Paradise Jesus mentioned is not the same as the Catholic or Jewish Purgatory. Two additional questions following your response, then: (1) If Jesus ascended to God Father's hands in the Heaven upon death on the cross, was the place Paradise? (2) If Jesus went up to God Father, did He (probably, His soul) come down to join His body to be resurrected ? If so, why did He say "I have not yet ascended to the Father" (John 20:17)? Clarify please.
Sentence 2 of post #241477: "I cannot fathom how anyone can hold that 'in the Father's hands' [cf Luke 23:46] is Purgatory, or some kind of multicompartmental Hell."
Yes, it does represent a personal wish. A wish to understand how the purgatorium dogmatics exegete the passage:
"And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, 'Father, INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT.' Having said this, He breathed His last" (Luke 23:46 NASB).
Our Lord was quoting a Messianic psalm of David (Psalm 31). Stephen uses the same phrase at his martyrdom (Acts 7:59). If we hold to the doctrine that Christ went to Purgatory, then He must have meant that "in the Father's hands" was to be put in such a place. That would also mean that David meant in the psalm to ask God to place him in Purgatory. It would also mean that Stephen was beseeching the Lord Jesus to send him to Purgatory. To me, that just doesn't sound right. Does it to you?
You advised, "Speak by the Word plz." (sic)
I am trying to by citing Psalm 31, Luke 23, and Acts 7. To more explicitly comply with your request, let me speak by the Word in quoting "Into Your hand I commit my spirit; You have ransomed me, O LORD, God of truth" (Psalms 31:5 NASB).
Typically, referencing a passage assumes that the reader will look up a verse or chapter in order to read it and its context for themselves.
You wrote, "Anyhow, are you saying that Jesus went to God Father immediately upon His death?" (sic)
I did not assert that. However, it is a logical possibility. It certainly seems to be a superior exegesis of the passage -- otherwise you would not have made the observation. Harmonizing what our Savior said in Luke 23 and John 20 does not require us to adopt a belief in Purgatory or multi-compartmentalized Hell.
In Him, Doc
PS There is a convention on the forum to mark as a question only the first item in a thread. This prevents questions addressed to an individual from dominating the SBF "front page" until the forum member has a chance to respond.
No one mentioned Purgatory except you.
Do you think Jesus made up the view of Hades/Hell spoken of in Luke 16:19-31? What do you think Eph 4:8 is speaking of?
The links you supply did not refute the picture Jesus gave us in Luke 16:19-31.
Which raises the question if the view of Hades/Hell as held by some Jews was incorrect why would Jesus reinforce that belief by describing the exact same situation and place as you say they incorrectly believed in?