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Hello EdB. That is how I see it. However, it was given me in a different way.
Jesus had a sweet spot where He would take the twelve to get away from the multitude of crowds that followed Him. This was a secret place known only to Jesus and the twelve, and possibly John Mark (writer of the gospel - if you take the man running away naked in the garden as he). No one knew where this secret place was. The priests even commanded the people to reveal the place where Jesus was:
John 11:57 (KJV)
57 Now both the chief priests and the Pharisees had given a commandment, that, if any man knew where he were, he should shew it, that they might take him.
And it was Judas that approached these religious leaders:
Matthew 26:14-15 (KJV)
14 Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests,
15 And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.
Since it was a secret place and Judas knew the place because he would escape the crowds with the others, this was information that he covenanted to reveal.
John 18:1-2 (KJV)
1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples.
2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples.
In other words, Judas reported Jesus to the authorities. To use the vernacular, Judas snitched on Jesus. This was his betrayal. He knew the secret place and went and not only told where to find him, but was also given a band of soldiers to bring him in.
Then, I thought to myself...Christians today do the same thing, they "do" a "Judas" and report their brethren, they snitch on Christians and Christ in that Christian today still. I have learned not to do that to my brethren. I don't have to if I have the Word of God that instructs and commands in how fellow-brethren are to be treated and Christ in them. We are not instructed in the things of the world when we become Christian, we are given a whole new way of dealing with our brethren, but sadly many, many Christians don't obey, or they just don't care, even possible they are not truly Christian at all. When we come into our new lives we bring the garbage of the old life into the new life and one of the Holy Spirit's Ministry in the Body is to use the Word of Truth (Scripture) to conform the believer into the image of Christ. This means also that brethren are supposed to be loyal to their brethren, devoted, loving, caring, all the family jewels are to be shared in the family, especially being faithful and treating them as the Lord in Scripture commands and instructs. We are not to be unfaithful to Christ and brethren and report (snitch) on our brethren. The Word of God is sufficient in dealing with brethren and in dealing with God. And when we fail to apply the Word of God in our fellowships and interaction we sin against God and against our brethren and do them great injustice.
Thank God for His Word! We don't have to treat our family members like the world treats their own. We have a higher and more righteous standard.
The Scriptures tell us to submit to human institutions (1 Peter 2:13).
The Lord has established the state in order to maintain order in the world. Paul writes, "Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God" (Romans 13:1). "Therefore," Paul continues (v2), "whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same (v3); for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it [the state] does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. (v4)"
He concludes, "it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake. (v5) For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. (v6)."
We are told that "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" (Psalm 111:10). When we recognize all the mechanisms God has put into place in order to maintain His purposes, it is very wise for us to walk in them. For thus we will have a peaceable life (1 Thessalonians 4:11; cf 1 Timothy 2:2). This gives us the freedom to live fruitful lives for our Lord.
He [Osiris] feels from Juda's land
The dredded Infants hand,
The rayes of Bethlehem blind his dusky eyn;
Nor all the gods beside,
Longer dare abide,
Nor Typhon huge ending in snaky twine:
Our Babe, to shew His Godhead true,
Can in His swadling bands controul the damned crew.
Although commonly taught by Mormons and Russelites, there is no scriptural basis to interpret the "third heaven" idiom as being the Garden of Eden, a different level of paradise, or whatever. One needs only look at common Greek usage of the phrase to see what Paul meant. After all, Paul was writing to Greeks.
My conclusion comes through reason (Isa. 1:18), and through the Scripture defining the Hebrew word "heaven" along with the question of where Enoch, Elijah, and Moses were prior to the Lord's Transfiguration. I have never committed such a study to paper, and it is not something I have yet to declare as Bible. But you can see that I said "I tend to believe" in hopes that other brethren who may have looked at the question may have a part joined to my part joined to brother so-so's part that we might see the whole. This is the wonder and glory of the Body of Christ in its element.
Hello Tracylynnwoods1975, if I may...there are only two "heavens" in creation, the atmosphere from the ground to where outer space begins, and outer space where the moon, earth, planets, galaxies, and stars reside. There is also a third "heaven," which is open to various interpretations. I tend to believe third "heaven" to be the Garden of Eden. Outside of these three "heavens" I do not believe God lives or resides in a "heaven" outside creation. In this instance "heaven" in not a place. "Heaven" is a Person.