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Results from: Answers, Notes
On or After: Wed 01/18/12 ordered by Date
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is jesus god? |
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Col 1:18 |
Bill Richardson |
Fri 01/27/12, 11:46pm |
231023 |
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It's helpful to understand there's been three major Dispensations in the Bible. What is a dispensation, you ask?
From BibleGateway:
Dispensation
(Gr. oikonomia, "management," "economy"). The method or scheme according to which God carries out his purposes towards men is called a dispensation. There are usually reckoned three dispensations, the Patriarchal, the Mosaic or Jewish, and the Christian. (See COVENANT, Administration of.) These were so many stages in God's unfolding of his purpose of grace toward men.
God the Father was the Dominent Figure during the Patriarchal Age, Genesis thru Abraham with the Law of Moses during the Jewish Age thru Malachi. Jesus the Son, of course started the Christian Age with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, Matthew thru Revelation.
So you see all three of the Godhead did participate in the Creation as evidenced in Genesis with the use of "We" in the first chapter. So naturally, Jesus did Know and Hear all of what went on in the Garden of Eden; He just didn't show Himself like His Father did.
But as you've already made clear Christ gets all the preeminence in this Dispensation, as given to Him by His Father. So is it a teamwork thing? Not sure; I'd like to think so as Jesus prays in John 17.
And you make a good point when the disciples saw Jesus, they saw the Father, John 14:9. BUT another powerful point proving the distinction of the two separate Beings is the fact that no man can see God the Father and live.
Ex 33:17 So the Lord said to Moses, “I will also do this thing that you have spoken; for you have found grace in My sight, and I know you by name.”
18 And he said, “Please, show me Your glory.”
19 Then He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” 20 But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” 21 And the Lord said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. 22 So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by. 23 Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen.”
One must read all of what God has to say on this matter to gain a full understanding of this Trinity along with the separateness of the Godhead. Keep studying; you'll get it.
Go with God in all things, Bill |
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is jesus god? |
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Col 1:18 |
BradK |
Fri 01/27/12, 9:21pm |
231022 |
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Hello Sheila,
I'm not sure what you mean by saying, "IF God the Father has been in all of us since the beginning..?" To me this hints of Pantheism? God has not been "in us since the beginning", but is eternal, having always existed in the unity of His nature. "In the beginning God..." (Gen. 1:1)
God is one as Deut. 6:4 tells us, "The LORD is our God, the LORD is one", yet Triune in his nature. There are three persons in scripture all called God; God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit, yet only one God. The Orthodox definition would be: One God who eternally exists in three different persons- the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit- all of whom are fully God,all of whom are equal.
Because of God's Triune nature, this is why Christ could exclaim in John 14:9, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" He (Jesus) truly is Emmanuel (God with us), the God/man.
Speaking the Truth in Love,
BradK |
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is jesus god? |
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Col 1:18 |
Sheila |
Fri 01/27/12, 4:49pm |
231021 |
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IF God the Father has been in all of us since the beginning--has heard our prayers and counted the hairs on our heads--then how could we have not been looking into the eyes of the Father when we looked into the eyes of Christ? Where would the Father have been? I believe god to be in me and the light of me--I call Him Y'shua.(Jesus)
2 Corinthians 6:16--Philippians 2:13--Acts 17:25-28--John 17:21-26--John 16:15
What would Hidden Wisdom be then?
1 Corinthians 2:7-8--1 Corinthians 1:21--Mark 4:11-12--Romans 3:11--Matthew 13:11-16--Luke 10:22 |
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is jesus god? |
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Col 1:18 |
Bill Richardson |
Fri 01/27/12, 4:34pm |
231020 |
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I can understand your difficulty; there are many people that believe as you do. But the ultimate conclusion, at least in my mind must agree with the whole Bible, as Paul preached in...
Acts 20:17 From Miletus he sent to Ephesus and called for the elders of the church. 18 And when they had come to him, he said to them: “You know, from the first day that I came to Asia, in what manner I always lived among you, 19 serving the Lord with all humility, with many tears and trials which happened to me by the plotting of the Jews; 20 how I kept back nothing that was helpful, but proclaimed it to you, and taught you publicly and from house to house, 21 testifying to Jews, and also to Greeks, repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God.
So how does one rationalize all the scriptures you've cited with the ones I provided in my previous post? Yes a very challenging question indeed. One last bit of scripture and I'll hush.
1 Cor 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
Go with God in all things, trust Him, keep studying and He'll Bless you with the Answer.
Bill |
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is jesus god? |
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Col 1:18 |
Sheila |
Fri 01/27/12, 4:17pm |
231019 |
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I should rephrase my question. Do you believe that Jesus is the Father in the flesh? I do. I believe that God is the head,brain and life of His body of believers and His name is Jesus Christ. I think it was in this way that mankind was created in the image of God. I think that we are merely small intelligent cells/parts of His body. (1 Corinthians 12:12-27)I'm not oneness or pentacostal. These are just things that I discovered when I went through the Bible and sought God first--as He says to do, but people keep labeling me as oneness and I had never even heard the word before.(Maybe I am oneness) So I'm curious as to how many out there see that He IS the father, son and holy spirit as ONE being and not three in one. We don't have three heads and I don't see God with three either. I see where He concealed the truth except to those who knew Him and would realize the truth. I see Him as the Head, brain and life with us as small intelligent cells of His body. Does anyone else see this?
JOHN 1:1-14--JOHN 14:7--JOHN 14:9--COLOSSIANS 1:15-18--EPHESIANS 4:4-6--MALACHI 4:2--MATTHEW 1:23--MATTHEW 11:27--LUKE 17:21--1 CORINTHIANS 1:21--MATTHEW 4:7--ISAIAH 45:22-23--REV. 1:17-18--ACTS 28:25-28--ROMANS 15:12-13--1 JOHN 5:11-12--JOHN 8:19--JOHN 10:30--JOHN 13:13--JOHN 4:24--1 TIMOTHY 3:16 |
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