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This is very easy; No problem. He is the Father in Creation, He is the Son in Redemption, and He is the Holy Spirit in the Chruch. In the book of Revelation the first chpt and v8 he said I am Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end. John 1:1 In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. Also Isaiah 44:6 He said I am the first and the last, besides me theirs no other God. St.John the first chpt. explain that Jesus Christ was the Word. and the 14th verse said the Word became flesh and dwelled among us. Matt. 1:23 He is call Emmanuel means God with us. God is one Spirit being, manifested in three beings, He is the Father with is in heaven, and son in the earth, and the Holy Spirit in the Church which is his present. I you have any more questions. contact me at:
ministerhudson@hotmail.com. Here's a website you can use
www.blueletterbible.org
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Is Jesus God? |
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John 1:1
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Matt.1:23 Emmanuel means (God with us)
John 1:1 (If the Word was God) John 1:14 said the Word became flesh and dwelled among us. Which is evident that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh, simple because the Word became flesh and dwelled with us in the earth. Revelation 1:8 He said I am the Alpha and Omega. Alpha translation is first or beginning and Omega translation is last or end. That was Jesus Christ speaking to John the revelator on the isle of patmos. That scripture coincide with Isaiah 44:6 I am the first and the last besides be there no other.
God did come in this earth as Jesus the Christ but by law he had to be a son of God, although he was God. Which means he had to have a body to dwell in while he was here legally in earth. Anyone in the earth including animals, and insects has to line up with the word of creation.
You just can't have a spirit and live on earth. The devil had to use the serpent body and brought
sin and God use Jesus body and brought redemption
but both had to live in this earth and used a phyical form whether amimanls or a man. Here's some reference scriptures: John 1:1-5,1:10,1:14; Rev.1:8; Is. 44:6, 7:14,8:8 is Immanuel and Matt.2:23 is Emmanuel. He is the father in Creation, the Son in Redemption, and the Holy Spirit in Church. Remember this in your teachings if you do not have the Spirit of God, then you will not, can not, nor see the kingdom of heaven or know things of God. Fools hate knowledge ICr.2:12 you are correct with that one scripture and thats all you need to show any one, if they don't receive you then they rejected the one who sent you. Besides some people are stuck in denial. My email is ministerhudson@hotmail.com contact me if you have any queistons.
here's a website address www.blueletterbible.com
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The Trinity. |
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Hi, you gave a good answer. However, I have to warn you that when I read answers I'll really, really, notice capitalization of words and might appear to be picky. I notice that you capitalized that He is the Son and that is what I love to see; a minister who appears to know the deity of Christ as shown by capitalizations. However, I like to see consistency in the scriptures. You have Him as the word in your John l:l quote and the Word in your St.John verse. Do you see what I mean? I don't remember seeing it written with three small 'w' in any translation. Personally, I would change your last two words of your note to His word.
I would like you to consider that He was a Son in the earth, also. You might even consider that being filled with the holy spirit is important. Just a thought.
I find it hard to understand how a Spirit can become a Man,how each One can be in the Other and still be one, and how this church can be one when we don't seek the truth and be sanctified. Jn.17:19
I want to know Him better and better, but I don't think there are any easy answers. If He is the Alpha and Omega then He is the Beginning and the End. We'll know Him as He is in the end. Ray V.H. |
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Who do we know the bible is realy God's |
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this is my rendition. i know inside it was written by man inspired by the Holy Spirit.we start with ;in the beginning, then we go to ;was the word.i am comming quickly may the Grace of Jesus be with you all Amen! we start with a marriage we end with a marriage.the whole bible has been written by a number of men over a few thousand years.and it all points to one thing or person Jesus Christ!this Whole book has been orchastrated to be about Him.the alpha and omega.it seems the more i wait on the Lord the deeper the reverlation of Jesus becomes . the Pure in heart shall see God. do you see God in all the scriptures ? He is the WORD,YIC. |
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I agree with blue that "mountain" refers to mountainous obstacles and that they can be overcome by faith in Christ. I think the term "top stone" (NASB) refers to Christ as both the corner stone (first to be laid) and top (cap) stone (last to be laid) which shows Him to be the ALPHA AND OMEGA of our faith in overcoming seemingly mountainous obstacles. Verse 9 seems to explain this by using the terms "foundation" and "finish".
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Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit? |
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Interestingly enough Jesus was not scizophrenic,yet he did call himself the father and the holy spirit....first of all collosians tells us that in Jesus dwelleth the fullness of the God head bodily, Isaiah tell us He(Jesus) shall be called wonderful,counselor and the MIGHTY GOD...Jesus himself said if you have seen me you have seen the father.....Jesus also said He was the root of of Abraham and teh offspring of David. In the book of Revelation Jesus said he was the alpha and the omega..... .Thomas proclaimed to Jesus after the resurrection...My Lord, My God......John tells us in the beginning was the word the word was with God and the word was God and teh word became flesh and swelt amoung us......His name is Emmanual which means God is with us.... The list goes on and on and on... To suppose that there are actually three God is heresy and a very dangerous doctrine....... Peter,Paul and all the apostles understood this and this is how the baptismal formula is fulfilled in by the apostles. |
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difference in trinity and oneness |
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To answer:
1. So what? It is irrelevant.
2. Sure it does, Not in a single verse, but doctrines built on single verses often are easily debunked. The Bible does teach the Trinity, and that all three persons are distinct but fully the one God.
3. Agreed. Not a point of contention between Trinitarians and modalists.
4. How do you get that from Matthew 28:19? Assumption on your part. In addition, I find that a God who defines himself in relation to humanity as not very sovereign.
5. 1 John 5:7 is a later addition, as any Greek NT scholar worth his salt will tell you. It simply doesn;t appear in the earliest manuscripts, which is why you will only find it in the KJV.
6. No argument. ONE God.
7. Certainly it can be apprehended. Trinitarians do it quite well.
8. Again, agreed. You DO know where Trinitarians agree with you, don't you?
9. I discussed this at length in another post in this thred. In the context of John 14-17, saying that Jesus is claiming to actually BE the Father or the Spirit is completely illogical. (see verses 4:14,16,23,24,26, and on and on...Jesus clearly points out that the Father, Spirit not only do different things -- another point where Oness and Trinitarians agree -- but that they COMMUNICATE and INTERACT with one another. Does Jesus have multiple personalities then?)
10. Sure it does. Se my answer to point 2.
11. Not a point of disagreement. All the fulness of the Godhead dwells in Christ bodily. The Godhead is also expressed fully in the Father and the Spirit. This is Trinitarian.
12. Irelevant to your case (the part about it being hidden -- so what?), but the Father is delivering everything to the Son. You contend that Jesus is delivering everything to Himself?
13. God is God, regardless of His relationship to humanity. How humanistic and heretical to say that Jesus redefines himself to human beings!
14. Again, not a point of disagreement for Trinitarians. Maybe I should use a code word to abbreviate this repetitive answer.
15. Now HERE is a valid point for more extended discussion. Why don't we separate these two verses into another post and discuss these in greater detail, as this is the first point that at first glance would seem to support Oneness...
16. Both of these verses testify to ONE God. No argument from Trinitarians. However, how does one fit John 1:1-3 into a modalistic viewpoint (particularly that nagging "the Word was with God" part)?
17. You already said that. I agree.
18. See #17.
19. See #18.
20. "Some" do it? Is that your argument? In any case, as you have said, the Bible doesn't number them. The numbers do not indicate any ontological difference among the three Persons. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega. No argument. He is God.
21. See #20.
22. See #17. Not anti-Trinitarian.
23. Same reason he does in Revelation 20. Not anti-Trinitarian. Jesus is the God of the Old Testament incarnate. Just not the Father.
24. So? God should be worshiped instead of Satan. What is the point?
25. Neither do I.
26. See #17.
27. See #17.
28. See #17.
29. See #17.
30. See #17.
31. See #17.
32. Guess you concede point 32. ;)
33. See #17.
34. See #17.
35. See #17.
36. See #17.
37. See #17.
38. Ditto.
39. Very poor exegesis here. By the way, I know a few Jehovah's Witnesses who would be happy to agree with you on this verse but say that that name is NOT "Jesus."
40. Okay.
41. See #32.
42. Okay...this is REALLY getting old. If you are going to attack the clearly Biblical doctrine of the Trinity, PLEASE take the time to understand what you are railing against, because most of what you have done here is to attack the "Straw Man" version of it that the UPCI or whatever group you belong to has fed you. There is an excellent work out there called _Oneness Pentecostals and the TRinity_ by Gregory Boyd. I invite you to read it and refute it. Then I would find your much more persuasive than you have been with this non-attack.
44, 45...You know what I am going to say here.
46. See #2. Oh, and #17. And #43.
Okay. Please understand one thing. Trinitarians do NOT believe in THREE GODS. We BELIEVE in one GOD, eternally existing in THREE PERSONS, not eternally existing in one person who switches from mode to mode in order to relate to humanity in different ways. Another great work is _The Forgotten Trinity_ by James R. White. When I speak out against Oneness, whether you disagree with me or not, at least I KNOW where we differ and will not spend an inordinate amount of time making assertions that will be fully accepted by both of us. PLEASE, PLEASE do not embarass yourself by arguing against things that I would also argue against as a Trinitarian!
One point out of 46 (or 44 actually) which carries any weight worth debating!
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Can Modes Interact with One Another? |
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John 6:56
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Tim thanks for your post it is very informative. I have been arguing with several concerning oneness/trinity issue ...please address the following if you get timeI would like to look at a passage in Revelation 21, which clearly indicates that Jesus is the Father. Starting at verse 5 it reads And He who sits on the throne said, Behold, I am making all things new we are made new by being in Christ 2 Cor. 5:17 And He said, Write, for these words are faithful and true in Rev. 3:14 and 19:11 Jesus is called faithful and true 6 Then He said to me, It is done. compare to John 19:30, "it is finished I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. [In the very next chapter Jesus says this same thing, 22:13-16 I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost Jesus gives the water of life, John 4:10-14; Rev. 7:17. 7 He who overcomes Jesus spoke these words seven times to each of the seven churches in the beginning of this epistle, 2:7,11,17,26;3:5,12,21 will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son emphasis added. Everything in this passage points towards Jesus as the speaker, yet at the end of the passage we realize that it is God the Father.
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I welcome you to the faith, JRM!
The answer to your question has to with what is called the Trinity. The historic Christian faith has been Trinitarian, despite the fact that throughout the history of the churhc there have been cults, sects, and other aberrant groups which have distorted this central teaching of Scripture in one way or another.
Since, as you say, you are a new believer, I assume that you did not spend years and years studying the Bible before trusting in Christ's sinless life and his death in our place as the payment for our sins. The word "Trinity," although not found in the Bible, is an accurate way to describe the nature of God as he is revealed to us in the pages of the New Testament.
Basically, when reading the Scriptures, we come across the following things said about God:
1. There is only ONE God (you probably don't need much convincing of this one, but try reading the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament; starting at about chapter 40, he mentions this fact dozens of times).
2. God is also known as the Father (the book of John is one place to start studying the message of Jesus Christ, and he constantly refers to "the Father").
3. However, Jesus is also referred to numerous times as God and/or the creator (John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16, 17; Hebrews 1:8, and many other places).
4. The Holy Spirit (also called the Spirit of God in the Old Testament) is described as having personality and also God.
So here is our "problem": ONE God, but the father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are also called "God." There cannot be three Gods, but three different "persons" are identified as God. Some groups today hold that this is just a way to describe God working in three different "modes" (i.e. sometimes he is acting as Father, sometimes as the Son, sometimes as the Holy Spirit). The problem with this, however, is that one can clearly see from the New Testament that all trhee exist together at the same time, and that they even interact with one another, one praying to another, one sending another, the three persons speaking to each other, etc., etc. Therefore, it is clear that while the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all fully one God; the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, and the Spirit is not the Father. So the plot thickens...
So what is the solution? The early leaders of the church, in trying to grasp all of this teaching about the nature of God, could conclude only one thing: that while there is only one God, he has always existed in three distinct "persons." Each of these persons is fully God (i.e. Jesus is not 1/3 of God), and each displays the personality, power, and characteristics of God. All three, being the one God, are worthy of our praise, worship, and obedience.
A bit complicated? I would assume as a new Christian that that would be an understatement. A good starting point to undertsanding this teaching that the church labelled the "trinity" almost 1700 years ago is a very fine book by James R. White entitled _The Forgotten Trinity._ He is the president of Alpha and Omega Ministries, which you can access on the Web at (www.aomin.org).
To answer your question about "calling God God," most of the writers of the Old and New Testaments, unless there was some need to make a distinction between these three persons, usually used the term God to refer to God the Father. The fact that God is a being who has revealed himself to be one Being in three Persons is hard to comprehend, since we experience nothing in creation that bears resemblence to this unique quality of God. The important thing is not whether we can draw a picture of it or put the nature of God into some comfortable category for ourselves. What is important is that we take the time to understand what the Bible does say about God's nature and accept it.
I certainly hope this answer helps. It was quite a bit longer than you expected, I am sure; but it is important for all of us to know who God is and what he is like. Despite many corruptions of all sorts that we have seen in the church over the centuries, the church has at least held onto the truth of the Trinity throughout its history.
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How can one be sure of his/her salvation |
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John 3:16
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"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."-------JVH, if that precious verse were all we had in all of Holy Writ to assure us ofof our salvation in the Lord Jesus, it would be enough. But God in His love and infinite wisdom has given us more, many more, assurances of our salvation through His Son. What's the Bible all about if it isn't what has been called "the scarlet thread of redemption?" From Alpha to Omega, from Genesis to Revelation, the Bible looks to the mighty redemptive atonement of Christ. To no other topic does it attach more importance; to no other topic does it speak more volubly......But I generalize and now should cite a few verses (from among a host) that speak directly to your question. (1) If we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. --1 John 1:7. (2) These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may KNOW (emphasis mine) that you have eternal life. --1 John 5:13. (3) Whoever confeses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. --1 John 4:15. (4) For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able t separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. --Romans 8:38,39....... Remember the hymn that has the lines, "Sing them over again to me, wonderful words of life"? Aren't these verses wonderful words of life indeed? And there are many, many more in the Word that are just as wonderful. These just happen to be some of my favorites with which I am well acquainted..... A true believer in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord of his life can sing "Blessed Assurance, Jesus is Mine" with nothing but the fullest confidence in his salvation. --Hank |
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Original language of Revelation |
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Revelation
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"Several scholars believe Revelation to have been originally written in Aramaic. Here's a few references on that issue.
A SEMITIC APROACH TO THE TEXT OF REVELATION by James Scott Trimm containing TWO books published as one together... The Original Language of the Apocalypse by Robert B. Y. Scott, The Language and Date of the Apocalypse by Charles Cutler Torrey, The Apocalypse of St. John in a Syriac Version by John Gwynn
The Greek version of Revelation is hard to defend as the inspired original text, in that it has an enourmous number of errors that don't appear in the Aramaic versions.
ERRORS ONLY IN THE GREEK VERSION OF REVELATION (and other translational evidence)
Charles Cutler Torrey gives ten examples of improper Greek grammar in the Greek version of Revelations as listed below...
Rev. 1:4 "Grace to you, and peace, from he who is and who was and who is to come" (all nom. case)
Rev. 1:15 "His legs were like burnished brass (neut. gender dative case) as in a furnace purified" (Fem. gender sing. no., gen. case)
Rev. 11:3 "My witness (nom.) shall prophesy for many days clothed (accus.) in sackcloth."
Rev. 14:14 "I saw on the cloud one seated like unto a Son of Man (accus.) having (nom.) upon his head a golden crown."
Rev. 14:19 "He harvested the vintage of the earth,
and cast it into the winepress (fem), the great [winepress] (masc.) of the wrath of God."
Rev. 17:4 "A golden cup filled with abominations
(gen.) and with unclean things" (accus.)
Rev. 19:20 "The lake of blazing (fem.) fire (neut.).
Rev. 20:2 "And he seized the dragon (accus.), the old serpent (nom.) who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him."
Rev. 21:9 "Seven angels holding seven bowls (accus.) filled (gen.) with the seven last plagues."
Rev. 22:5 "They have no need of lamplight (gen.) nor of sunlight (accus.)."
Now did God inspire John to write in Greek with all those errors, or did John write in the language he knew best (Aramaic) followed by a less than perfect translation into Greek? The Aramaic version of Revelation does not have these "bad grammar" problems. The errors in the Greek text are at least one reason many scholars believe in an Aramaic origin to the book. There are other reasons involving style and how the Greek text tends to use phrasing that is closer to typical Aramaic phrasing than typical Greek phrasing, but this is a difficult thing to demonstrate in a short post like this.
One thing that always struck me as odd about the Greek version of Revelations is why it calls him the ""Alpha" and the "O"". That is the word "Alpha" is spelled out but "Omega" is not - it just has the letter Omega there. I always thought it was strange until I read the Aramaic version for the first time, and then the answer became crystal clear.
In the Aramaic version, it says "I am the Aleph and the Tau", spelling out both the first and last letter of the alphabet. Thus, there is no inconsistancy about how these two letters are referenced. However, In Aramaic, the "Tau" is written with a Tau and a Waw. The shape of a Waw follows the outline of the near side of a Tau so closely in the square Aramaic lettering, that if they were handwritten close enough, one could easily mistake a Tau and a Waw for a fat Tau, and thus translate the Aramaic "Tau" into Greek with a single letter (O - Omega) to try to render the same "sense".
There are two Aramaic versions of Revelation.
1. Peshitta - There's the one that appears in the Peshitta / Peshitto and canonized by the portions of the Eastern Church of Syria (though it had been in circulation before that time). They cannonized the first 22 books of the Bible early, but did not cannonize Revelation and the other of the last 5 books of the New Testament until 508 AD.
2. The Crawford Manuscript of Revelation is published in the last book mentioned above.
Does it matter? Well, each language tells the gospel story of Jesus's death, resurrection, atonement, etc., more or less the same way. It's
really the more minor issues that differences could be drawn. Because the grammar is different, one might get different hint or clues as to the timing of the rapture in reading different manuscripts. So for end times hints, maybe
correctly understanding the right source text might matter to some degree. But most importantly IT MATTERS IN ORDER TO DEFEND THE INTEGRITY OF THE
SCRIPTURES, since the Greek version is filled with bad grammar but the Aramaic version is rather clean."
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"Here's a few differences in how the Greek and Aramaic versions of Revelation read:
Rev 2:22 "I will cast her into the COFFIN."
The original Aramaic word here is spelled Ayin, Resh Sammekh Alef and can be translated as either "coffin" or "bed". "Bed" appears in the Greek text, but perhaps "coffin" makes more sense. Why would he throw her on a bed with her companions? Note Rev 2:23 says "I will kill her sons..." Why would God's judgement be to kill her sons and not kill her...but just throw her on a bed? Beds are where nice things happen - rest, relaxation....this is clearly a judgement, not a free pass to a spa. It's also easy to see how this could have been translated from Aramaic to Greek the way it was.
Rev 10:1 Greek - "and His FEET were like pillars of fire" Aramaic - "and His LEGS were like pillars of fire".
The Aramaic word for "legs" here can mean legs or feet or both. But since they are compared to "pillars", "legs" is probably a better translations. So we see how the imagery of the Aramaic version makes more sense.
Rev 1:15 strongly suggests an Aramaic origin to Revelation: Greek - "...And his feet were were like brass (calko) burnished (libano) as if in a furnace, glowing/afire."
Now the KJV translates "libano" as "burnished", but the word has no real meaning in Greek. It's actually a Hebrew/Aramaic word.
Aramaic has two possible translations... "...And his feet were in the form of the Lebanese brass that is burned in a furnace" "...And his feet were in the form of the whitening brass that is burned in a furnace" The first is the most common, while the second is an arguably possible
translation.
When brass is burned in a furnace, it turns white. "Lebanon" in Hebrew/Aramaic shares roots with the Hebrew word for "to make white". It could be saying the brass is from Lebanon or it could be using this to say the brass is turning white.
The same descrepency also appears in Rev 2:18. The Greek text is definitely using a Hebrew/Aramaic word - no question about it. A Hebrew/Aramaic word just simply suddenly appears in the middle of this otherwise Greek sentence. It would appear that when Revelation was translated from Aramaic to Greek, they simply transliterated this word instead of finding a Greek equivalent. Perhaps the translators did not know what it meant, so they just transliterated it. One problem with Aramaic is that it is a rather fluid language with several dialects, and the Greek traslators may not have known the dialect they were translating from, but only had info on a close, but not identical dialect of Aramaic.
Rev 9:11 Aramaic - "...whose name in Hebrew is 'Avadu' and in Aramaic 'Sh'ra'" Greek - "...whose name in Hebrew is 'Abaddon' and in Greek 'Apollyon'"
Rev 8:2 says the angels were given 7 Shofars -indicating what type of trumpet it was. The Torah discusses the Shofar made from a Ram's horn as well as silver trumpets. These two types of trumpets were used for different purposes in different times. So the fact that the Aramaic text could be telling us what kind of trumpet this was is significant in that this is lost in the Greek version.
Now there's other subtleties that come through in the Aramaic that don't come through in the Greek. For example, when Jesus said He was the "Alef
and the Tau", there's something hinted here that doesn't come through by translating this as "Alpha and Omega" or "A and the Z". Alef and Tau spell the word "ET" in Hebrew, which has an important grammatical usage that parallels Jesus's atonement in a spiritual way.
Genesis 1:1 says... "In the beginning God created it; the heavens and the earth"
This is probably the most literal way you could translate "ET". "ET" here is translated as the word "it". When an indirect object appears in a
Hebrew sentence, it has to be preceeded by the word "ET", spelled Alef Tau. So it takes the place of an indirect object and must come before it. Now just as "ET" takes the place of an indirect object, Jesus took our place on the cross, and He had to come before us!
Praise Him forevermore!!!!"
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Refer to Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, 48:12 and Revelation 1:8, 1:17-18, 21:6, 22:13.
My question is: Who is the Alpha and the Omega or the First and the Last? It seems to me that both God the Father and Jesus Christ claim this. Please enlighten me. |
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Refer to Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, 48:12 and Revelation 1:8, 1:17-18, 21:6, 22:13.
My question is: Who is the Alpha and the Omega or the First and the Last? It seems to me that both God the Father and Jesus Christ claim this. Please enlighten me. |
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John, You are right.
Both the Father and the Son were at the begining (Jhn 1:1) and will rule at the end of human history. They have other shared names and attributes.
They are eternal (Gen 21:33, 1Ti 1:17), that is They existed before the creation. This also applies to the Holy Spirit.
Steve
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Who created god? |
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hi summer, i read the answers that where given but they are not clear enough for me however I don't have a fact of course but i can't help but be reminded of how humans are conceived. if through intercourse, this tiny cell grows inside a woman then she gives birth to another human being and so on. Is it possible that god in the spirit came from a substance that we as humans don't quite understand yet we are getting close but science has not mastered it yet. But we are getting close. He are being watched to see how intelligent we are. I think in some case God is very proud of man for being, trying to figure out what life is and where it comes from. Trully we are intelligent creatures. I think if we look at each other and try to understand our selves and where we originate then we are close to understand the alpha and the omega of this univers. I can of course give you no explantaion of God creation however if you think long enough and look around you it's got to be an oasis of wonderfulness. i try to imagine the most beautifuliest thing in this world and multiply it as many times as my imagination will allow me. God's was created from this beautiful, magnificate place and it's a place he wants us to enjoy. If we would just free our minds to explore beauty and leave negativity where it is. peace and blessing and continue to enjoy the beauty of life and he will either let you see paradise or he will let you now how paradise feels. this is what I believe...peches |
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Dear Hank,
Bless you, honored fellow, in Jesus' name!
I am in complete agreement with you! Indeed this topic is volatile!
Those Christians that have swallowed the presently-popular multi-billion year Big Bang Theory (and it's remora, Darwinian evolution) without thought, reflection, or reconciliation with the Bible are way out in left field.
IMHO, right field is occupied with those that insist that we must believe in a less-than-ten-thousand-year-old Creation, even though the Bible does NOT claim it or insist upon it.
The idea that satan laid 'traps' to deceive us into believing an 'old earth' has some merit. However, to say that the Lord God purposely defeated the physical laws (that He instituted!) in order to make the stars 'appear' millions-of-light-years-away, to make any all dating methods inaccurate by a factor of 1,000 or more, and allowed satan to construct all those pesky dinosaur bones, beggars all rational thought. Why would our God take part in such an elaborate deception?
I have been to several 'creation' sites, and often their 'proofs' to debunk the Big-Bangers-evolutionists is as irrational and exaggerated as the 'opposition!'
Friend, you are right! It IS a secret. After coming to that conclusion, I rarely worry about it! At least until I hear one side or the other claim to 'know' the mind of God, or trust the feelings of man. (I won't say which is which :-))
Thank you, sir, for a courageous statement on a Bible Study Forum, "I don't know. And you don't either."
By the way, in case some might ask. I believe that God created all Creation. (not evil!) He is the Alpha (and Omega)!
In Christ Jesus, charis |
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I agree, but I also have a question |
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Revelation
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REV 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
REV 1:11 Saying," I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and what thou seest, wrtie in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea."
Many will tell you these churches were along time ago but the Lord's day is in the future. We are to understand in the spiritual sense not the physical sense as many men do. Hope this helps. |
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how many books in bible? |
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Bible general Archive 1
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There are 66 books in the Bible. 66 in biblical numerics is Idol Worship. This excludes the Apocrypha which is not canonised, which does not mean that it doesn't have anything meanful to say. Because Revelations and the book of Enoch were debated about which would be canonised. The book of Revelations won and the book of Enoch was left out. The book of Enoch was in the Bible for 5 centuries. Later it disappeared. Book of Enoch (page 3). My favorite book of the Apocrypha is 2 Esdras which gives much insight for the fourth beast of Daniel and Revelations. And holds many secrets which were told to be hidden for those in the last days. The Massorah also backs up that 2 Esdras has many revelations.In the Strongs Concordance the word Revelation or Revelations is the same in the Greek,#602, (Apokalupsis), meaning disclosure, appearing, coming, lighten, manifestation, be revealed, revelation. Coming from #601, (Apokalupto), meaning to take off the cover, disclose, reveal. Why isn't the book of Revelations taught when it means to reveal, take off the cover. Who is the first to be judged? The answer is within the answer. As all things to be revealed, Mark 4:22, For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was anything kept secret, but that it should come abroad, V23, If any man have ears to hear, let them hear. Also in Luke 8:17For nothing is secret, that shall not be manifest; neither anything hid, that shall not be known and come abroad. V18, Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have. Genesis 1:1, In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Rev 1:8, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending,' sayeth the Lord, 'Which is, and Which was, and Which is to come, the Almighty. The 1st book to the 66th book, which is one chapter of man to see or not to see, can you see Gen.13:14, And the Lord said to Abram, after that, Lot was separated from him, 'Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: This is for a sign, do you SEE?? This is but a secret, can you read the NEWS? PRAISEMASTER |
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how many books in bible? |
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Bible general Archive 1
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You are right, my wording is not correct I'am not used of people who understand the languages for I study in the Greek,Hebrew, Chaldee. A better word might be yhovah pronounced yeh-ho-vaw or better might be Ieaous pronounced ee-ay-sooce' taken back to Hebrew pronounced yeh-ho-shoo'-ah yhovah-saved. So when you say the one, you say the other Rev1:8 I'am Alpha and Omega the beginning and ending saith the Lord, Which is and Which was and Which is to come the Almighty. Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Rev 22:13,I'am Alpha and Omega the Beginning and the End the First and the Last. Alpha and Omega the beginning Revelation and the End of Revelation. Alpha in Genesis, the beginning and Omega the End in Revelation. Alpha is the First letter of the alphabet in Hebrew and Greek. Any one who has studied beginning Greek or Hebrew, the first thing you learn is the alphabet and what each letter means and in Hebrew and Greek, they represent numbers, In Hebrew Aleph is one, Beth is 2, Gimel is 3, Daleth is 4.In Greek, Alpha is 1, Beta is 2, Gamma is 3. These are the only two languages in which this is done.And it is called Gematria which is the use of the Greek and Hebrew alphabet representing their numbers instead of using arabic figures as we do. All letters in the Greek and Hebrew represent numbers. Alpha in Greek means first. And is the first letter of the alphabet. Omega is the last letter of the Greek alphabet. So we have written and spoken word,Gen 1:3, and God said- Gen 1:6, and God said- Gen 1:1 God created- Gen1:2 Spirit of God moved, Gen 1:5 and God called. At Last we have the living word. John 1:1, In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. John 14:9-Jesus saith unto him, "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? he that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father'? Exodus 3:14, The I AM that I AM is transliterated, but should be translated, meaning I will Be what I will Be now read it the way it should be read- And God said unto Moses, "I AM THAT I AM:" and He said,"Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, 'I AM hath sent me. John 8:12- Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, "I am the light of the world: he that followeth Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. John 6:35- And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to Me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on Me shall never thirst. John 6:51- I am the living bread which came down from heaven;. Pharisees and the scribes seek to kill him because numerous times he says he was the Father, and God. By saying I am, is saying he is the Father God. which was against Hebrew law. That is why he says in John 8:44- Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. he was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is not truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Upon my heart you tried to put a label on me. I guess that's why God's real name is unpronounceable. You should not put a label upon one who speaks from his heart, but I am merely a small man, but what you read above is not from but a small man, but it's Alpha and Omega. The book interprets the book. The man should not interpret the man. Hope to hear a reply from you and others, especially those who say they are teachers. So we can all learn something, especially myself. PRAISEMASTER |
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Why study prophecy? |
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Matt 24:3
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Dear kalos,
Greetings in the name of Jesus!
The WHOLE counsel of God is worthy of serious study. The purpose of this study is to know His will and serve him accordingly. Therefore, we should study the entire Bible, and not focus on the beginning or the end. Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, and everything in between! We are not told every detail of creation, and the details of the end times are hidden for good reason. We are to know what is revealed, and be at peace in what is not. In any case, our service to God does not rely on Genesis or Revelation, but on the entire Word of God.
Blessings and peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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When was "In the Beginning" |
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Gen 1:1
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in the beginning of time as God states it, He is the Alpha and Omega. In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth and man. Gen 1.The beginning of time, as we know it.We live in a time sphere, God is eternal for us to understand when that took place God had to state in the beginning............Again to Gen 1. |
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Women speak in church? |
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1 Cor 14:34
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Hello charis,
May the Father forgive me for regard, but when you have a heart for all, love is motivating to help all, especially to those who would condemn a child of the Living Water and forget the greatest commandments.
Once again your kind words help further my understanding of love which is the Father. I appreciate your charisma in representing Christ Jesus and I am sure He is not pleased with your following of the second great commandment.
James 3:1 - My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.(2) For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body. (3) Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us, and we turn about their whole body. (4) Behold also ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, withersoever the governor listeth. (5) Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! (6) And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. (7) For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: (8) But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadlly poison. (9) Therewith we bless God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similtude of God. (10) Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. (11) Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? (12) Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yeild salt water and fresh.
Ecc 3:18 - I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beast.
In humbleness I attempt to put you in rememberance of Iesous and the Living Water, which was not written in English from Alpha to Omega, or IN the Beginning to the End, and in languages in which there are no letter "J's". I am a beast in the flesh and can admit it.
Peace and blessings to you,
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Will we go thru the tribulation |
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Rev 3:10
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retxar, I can see what you are saying regarding the two olive trees and the two candlesticks, but candlesticks is like the candlesticks in Rev.1:20. Could it be that these are the two witnesses Philadelphia, and Smyrna? And Would you agree that John in Rev.1:10 where it says, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Verse 11) Saying I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, what thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis,and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. It was the Lord's day, and John was in the Spirit. Would agree that the Lord's day is when Jesus return's, and the voice as a trumpet could possibly be the last trump coinciding with 1 Cor.15:52-53, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead in Christ shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Verse 53) For this corruptible must put on incorruptible, and this mortal must put on immortality. Let me know what you think. In the Love of Jesus, Serenetime |
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Genesis 1:26-27 |
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Genesis
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Hi hollyh, I believe that Genesis 1:26 is good proof that the Man, Jesus Christ was in the Beginning with the Father.
This is my read of Revelation 22:13. "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." What do you think? Give us a little closer here. Ray |
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Who is the Lord of Time? |
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Rev 1:8
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Who is the Lord of Time in this Year of Our Lord, 2002 Anno Domini?
"Christ yesterday and today
the beginning and the end
Alpha and Omega
all time belongs to him
and all the ages
to him be glory and power
through ever age for ever. Amen"
"By his holy
and glorious wounds
may Christ our Lord
guard us
and keep us. Amen"
"May the light of Christ ,
rising in Glory,
dispel the darkness
of our hearts and minds.
Christ our light!"
From the Service of Light at the Easter Vigil |
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Who is the Lord of Time? |
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Rev 1:8
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Greetings Emmaus!
Thank you for sharing!
Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." [ASV]
Blessings to you,
Nolan |
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Who is the Alpha and the Omega? |
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Bible general Archive 1
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Dear John Hermes,
"God is one," is a very favorite saying of the Jews to this day. They have been cured of idolatry.
However, Christians know God is plural in the sense of the Trinity; and the Trinity is together in all that He does. For instance the Father is the Creator, the Holy Spirit hovered over the creation and is part of that Creation and the Son is the Word God said in producing that Creation [see John 1: 1-3 and 14]. So, in just the same way both the Father and the Son are the Alpha and the Omega. Itiswritten |
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type of wood the cross is made of |
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Eph 2:16
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I think it is not mention in the bible of what kind of wood used for the cross of Jesus Christ. (if somebody can give you its good)
Easton Bible Dictionary Entry on
Cross
in the New Testament the instrument of
crucifixion, and hence used for the crucifixion of
Christ itself (Eph 2:16; Heb 12:2; 1Co 1:17-18;
Ga 5:11; 6:12,14; Php 3:18). The word is also
used to denote any severe affliction or trial (Mt
10:38; 16:24; Mr 8:34; 10:21).
The forms in which the cross is represented are
these:
Crucifixion
a common mode of punishment among heathen
nations in early times. It is not certain whether it
was known among the ancient Jews; probably it
was not. The modes of capital punishment
according to the Mosaic law were, by the sword
(Ex 21:1-36), strangling, fire (Le 20:1-27), and
stoning (De 21:1-23).
This was regarded as the most horrible form of
death, and to a Jew it would acquire greater
horror from the curse in De 21:23.
This punishment began by subjecting the
sufferer to scourging. In the case of our Lord,
however, his scourging was rather before the
sentence was passed upon him, and was
inflicted by Pilate for the purpose, probably, of
exciting pity and procuring his escape from
further punishment (Lu 23:22; Joh 19:1).
The condemned one carried his own cross to the
place of execution, which was outside the city,
in some conspicuous place set apart for the
purpose. Before the nailing to the cross took
place, a medicated cup of vinegar mixed with
gall and myrrh (the sopor) was given, for the
purpose of deadening the pangs of the sufferer.
Our Lord refused this cup, that his senses might
be clear (Mt 27:34). The spongeful of vinegar,
sour wine, posca, the common drink of the
Roman soldiers, which was put on a hyssop
stalk and offered to our Lord in contemptuous
pity (Mt 27:48; Lu 23:36), he tasted to allay the
agonies of his thirst (Joh 19:29). The accounts
given of the crucifixion of our Lord are in entire
agreement with the customs and practices of
the Roman in such cases. He was crucified
between two "malefactors" (Isa 53:12; Lu
23:32), and was watched by a party of four
soldiers (Joh 19:23; Mt 27:36,54), with their
centurion. The "breaking of the legs" of the
malefactors was intended to hasten death, and
put them out of misery (Joh 19:31); but the
unusual rapidity of our Lord's death (Joh 19:33)
was due to his previous sufferings and his great
mental anguish. The omission of the breaking of
his legs was the fulfilment of a type (Ex 12:46).
He literally died of a broken heart, a ruptured
heart, and hence the flowing of blood and water
from the wound made by the soldier's spear
(Joh 19:34). Our Lord uttered seven memorable
words from the cross, namely, (1) Lu 23:34; (2)
Lu 23:43; (3) Joh 19:26; (4) Mt 27:46; Mr 15:34;
(5) Joh 19:28; (6) Joh 19:30; (7) Lu 23:46.
1. The crux simplex (I), a "single piece without
transom."
2. The crux decussata (X), or St. Andrew's cross.
3. The crux commissa (T), or St. Anthony's
cross.
4. The crux immissa (t), or Latin cross, which
was the kind of cross on which our Saviour died.
Above our Lord's head, on the projecting beam,
was placed the "title." (See Crucifixion.)
After the conversion, so-called, of Constantine
the Great (B.C. 313), the cross first came into
use as an emblem of Christianity. He pretended
at a critical moment that he saw a flaming cross
in the heavens bearing the inscription, "In hoc
signo vinces", i.e., By this sign thou shalt
conquer, and that on the following night Christ
himself appeared and ordered him to take for his
standard the sign of this cross. In this form a
new standard, called the Labarum, was
accordingly made, and borne by the Roman
armies. It remained the standard of the Roman
army till the downfall of the Western empire. It
bore the embroidered monogram of Christ, i.e.,
the first two Greek letters of his name, X and P
(chi and rho), with the Alpha and Omega. (See .)
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