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|1||the angels that sinned||2 Pet 2:4||Truthfinder||96930|
Also, notice that Moses, Job, Abraham, Isaiah, and others in the old testament did not have new testament scriptures as we have. But, they still recognized Christ's full deity!
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
45Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you--Moses, in whom you trust. 46For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"
Yes, the Hebrew Scriptures many times speak of the coming Messiah, Jesus. But certainly I beg to differ that they nor the prophets of old ever recognized Christ as Almighty God Jehovah.
|2||Jesus is wisdom argument leads nowhere.||Rev 3:14||Truthfinder||96929|
No. I believe Abraham could not have made a greater sacrifice than God.
|3||Jesus is wisdom argument leads nowhere.||Rev 3:14||Truthfinder||96928|
|Hi Pastor Glenn,
Yes, Glenn, In Luke 4:8 or Mat 4:10, Jesus quoted that verse of Deut 6:13 in reply to Satan where he says: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” I see here that Jesus is saying that the acceptable worship to the Sovereign One of the universe should be Jesus’ Father, Jehovah and to direct our worship to him (Jesus as the universal Sovereign) would be contradictory to this mandate.
How do you read it?
. "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve."'
Since yhvh is replaced here in Mat 4:10 (yhvh is in Deut 6:13) in the translation you quote from, with the Hebrew word adonai or Greek kurios, do you subsequently conclude that Jesus was telling Satan to worship himself (Jesus)? If so, then that’s the whole point of our discussion. Originally yhvh was in the Bible over 6,000 times for a reason. That reason was to maintain the Father’s, the Almighty God’s true identity.
You also ask:
By your theology it seems that any angels could have stepped in and died for our sins. But what angel would have had power to get back up from the dead as Christ did by His own power?
Jehovah God sent his only be-gotten son as John 1: 1 identifies as the “Word” and also says he was “with” God. John 1:14;
14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, yes, he actually cried out—this was the one who said [it]—saying: “The one coming behind me has advanced in front of me, because he existed before me.”) 16 For we all received from out of his fullness, even undeserved kindness upon undeserved kindness. 17 Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ. 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.
This verse also tells us Glenn, that man has “seen” Jesus but not God. It tells us too that Jesus, the only-begotten god has explained the Almighty God. The unparalleled “unity” in thought and love is there between Jesus and Jehovah. That is why Jesus could rightly say in John 14:6;
6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If YOU men had known me, YOU would have known my Father also; from this moment on YOU know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said to him: “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”
9 Jesus said to him: “Have I been with YOU men so long a time, and yet, Philip, you have not come to know me? He that has seen me has seen the Father [also]. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me?
I stress again the point that Jesus makes in verse 10, “I am in union with the Father”, not that he is the Father, Almighty God. 1 John 2:5 shows that we as mere men also can be in union with the Father by saying, . 5 But whoever does observe his word, truthfully in this [person] the love of God has been made perfect. By this we have the knowledge that we are in union with him."
I honestly believe that if the Jewish scibes has not changed the original "inspired Scriptures" that this difference of thought would not be here between you and me.
|4||the angels that sinned||2 Pet 2:4||Truthfinder||96818|
Since our last dialogue, a little. For the past 40 years, I have researched it through and through. I feel I totally understand why you and many like you do believe that Jesus is Almighty God Jehovah. I too understand why it would be difficult to convince you otherwise. I have no problem with it and respect you for your convictions. God is our judge, not me. My posts since December 2002 contain most of my conclusions that convince me to feel the way I do. Jesus is the Son of God.
|5||the angels that sinned||2 Pet 2:4||Truthfinder||96791|
Interesting subject. I don't think anyone can provide Biblical evidence that wicked angels could materialize after the flood nor married after the flood.
Great post, through and through. I know why some "think" they could materialize etc, but their explanations are not accurate knowledge. I agree with you too that Adam was called "a son of God", but those that have descended from him have been born with inherited sinful tendencies. Since they were born of one rejected by God, Adam’s descendants could not claim the relationship of being a son of God simply on the basis of birth. This is demonstrated by the apostle John’s words at John 1:12, 13. He shows that those who received Christ Jesus, exercising faith in his name, were given “authority to become God’s children, . . . [being] born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God.” Sonship in relation to God, therefore, is not viewed as something automatically received by all of Adam’s descendants at birth. This and other texts show that, since Adam’s fall into sin, it has required some special recognition by God for men to be designated as his “sons.” This is illustrated in his dealings with Israel.
|6||Jesus Created or Creator???||Rev 3:14||Truthfinder||96741|
In Isaiah 9:6, I would capitalize all the proper nouns in that sentence, as that would be proper English grammar. All the proper nouns would include Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace since the context dictates that by prefacing it with "and his name will be called".
|7||Genesis chapter 1||Gen 1:16||Truthfinder||96695|
I don't know if you were asking to tell you what the first song was or check out what you posted as the first song. At any rate, here is the first song recorded in the Bible: Exodus 15:1
Sung by Moses and the men of Israel, to which Miriam and the women responded, upon their deliverance at the Red Sea.
15 At that time Moses and the sons of Israel proceeded to sing this song to Jehovah and to say the following:
“Let me sing to Jehovah, for he has become highly exalted.
The horse and its rider he has pitched into the sea.
2 My strength and [my] might is Jah, since he serves for my salvation.
This is my God, and I shall laud him; my father’s God, and I shall raise him on high.
3 Jehovah is a manly person of war. Jehovah is his name.
4 Phar´aoh’s chariots and his military forces he has cast into the sea,
And the choice of his warriors have been sunk in the Red Sea.
5 The surging waters proceeded to cover them; down they went into the depths like a stone.
6 Your right hand, O Jehovah, is proving itself powerful in ability,
Your right hand, O Jehovah, can shatter an enemy.
7 And in the abundance of your superiority you can throw down those who rise up against you;
You send out your burning anger, it eats them up like stubble.
8 And by a breath from your nostrils waters were heaped up;
They stood still like a dam of floods;
The surging waters were congealed in the heart of the sea.
9 The enemy said, ‘I shall pursue! I shall overtake!
I shall divide spoil! My soul will be filled with them!
I shall draw my sword! My hand will drive them away!’
10 You blew with your breath, the sea covered them;
They sank like lead in majestic waters.
11 Who among the gods is like you, O Jehovah?
Who is like you, proving yourself mighty in holiness?
The One to be feared with songs of praise, the One doing marvels.
12 You stretched out your right hand, the earth proceeded to swallow them up.
13 You in your loving-kindness have led the people whom you have recovered;
You in your strength will certainly conduct them to your holy abiding place.
14 Peoples must hear, they will be agitated;
Birth pangs must take hold on the inhabitants of Phi·lis´ti·a.
15 At that time the sheiks of E´dom will indeed be disturbed;
As for the despots of Mo´ab, trembling will take hold on them.
All the inhabitants of Ca´naan will indeed be disheartened.
16 Fright and dread will fall upon them.
Because of the greatness of your arm they will be motionless like a stone,
Until your people pass by, O Jehovah,
Until the people whom you have produced pass by.
17 You will bring them and plant them in the mountain of your inheritance,
An established place that you have made ready for you to inhabit, O Jehovah,
A sanctuary, O Jehovah, that your hands have established.
18 Jehovah will rule as king to time indefinite, even forever.
19 When Phar´aoh’s horses with his war chariots and his cavalrymen went into the sea,
Then Jehovah brought back the waters of the sea upon them,
While the sons of Israel walked on dry land through the midst of the sea.”
Does it agree with yours?
|8||Genesis chapter 1||Gen 1:16||Truthfinder||96683|
A passage that comes to mind in this regard is, Job 38:4, "Where did you happen to be when I founded the earth?
Tell [me], if you do know understanding.
5 Who set its measurements, in case you know,
Or who stretched out upon it the measuring line?
6 Into what have its socket pedestals been sunk down,
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,
And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?"
Apparently the sons of God (angels) were created before the material universe, since they cried out in joy at the creation of the earth.
And to me time would begin when the first creation happened (the invisible creatures) because we would have a beginning of events to measure. I appreciate your thought provoking thoughts.
|9||Jesus is wisdom argument leads nowhere.||Rev 3:14||Truthfinder||96661|
|Hi Pastor Glenn,
The point about wisdom is logically that wisdom had no beginning since it is one of the four attributes of the Almighty. Thus wisdom is pictorial of something that had a beginning and a direct correlation in both thought and wording exists in Proverbs and Col 1:15 for drawing an accurate and logical conclusion. Jesus, in his prehuman existence, was as Col 1:15 tells us according to the NJB, “the first-born of all creation.” He was “the beginning of God’s creation.” (Revelation 3:14, RS, Catholic edition). “Beginning” [Greek, ar·khe´] cannot rightly be interpreted to mean that Jesus was the ‘beginner’ of God’s creation. In his Bible writings, John uses various forms of the Greek word ar·khe´ more than 20 times, and these always have the common meaning of “beginning.” Yes, Jesus was created by God as the beginning of God’s invisible creations.
But now notice how closely those references to the origin of Jesus correlate with expressions uttered by the figurative “Wisdom” in the Bible book of Proverbs: “Yahweh created me, first-fruits of his fashioning, before the oldest of his works. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills, I came to birth; before he had made the earth, the countryside, and the first elements of the world.” (Again according to the New Jerusalem Bible) While the term “Wisdom” is used to personify the one whom God created, most scholars agree that it is actually a figure of speech for Jesus as a spirit creature prior to his human existence. What is really interesting about the rebuttals made by pro-Trinitarians during the Nicene confession is they were using the LXX (regarding it as “inspired”) and it, the LXX, translates the Hebrew qanah with the Greek, ektizo (a form of ktizo, meaning “create” or “make”). Thus they failed to provide an acceptable interpretation to prove Jesus was not Created. This is seen from Athanasius’ (c. 296-373CE) effort, over many pages to conclude, “The Lord created me a beginning of His ways,’ as if to say, “My Father hath prepared for Me a body, and has created Me for men in behalf of their salvation.”--Four Discourses Against the Arians, Discourse 2, chap. 19. P 374. Yes, Athanasius interprets Proverbs 8:22 as a reference to the Word’s (Jesus Christ’s) sojourn in the flesh.
As “Wisdom” in his prehuman existence, Jesus goes on to say that he was “by his [God’s] side, a master craftsman.” (Proverbs 8:30, JB) In harmony with this role as master craftsman, Colossians 1:16 says of Jesus that “through him God created everything in heaven and on earth.”—Today’s English Version (TEV).
So it was by means of this master worker, his junior partner, as it were, that Almighty God created all other things. The Bible summarizes the matter this way: “For us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things . . . and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things.” 1 Corinthians 8:6, RS, Catholic edition.
|10||Genesis chapter 1||Gen 1:16||Truthfinder||96598|
What was created when God said, "Bereshit bara elohim hashamaim ve et ha arets"? Gen. 1:1
Also, in verse 3, "yehoo or vahoo or" (Let be light and there was light), what was created?
|11||Genesis chapter 1||Not Specified||Truthfinder||96552|
|Hi all. Just curious. On which day was the sun created?
|12||Genesis chapter 1||Gen 1:16||Truthfinder||96554|
|Hi all. Just curious. On which day was the sun created?
|13||Jesus Created or Creator???||Rev 3:14||Truthfinder||96123|
This discussion of Proverbs 8:22 goes back to c.296-373 CE and is much more involved than what the apologetics have here. I have studied it in depth as my translations of the Hebrew texts will show. Sometime in the future though, I will present the arguments on both sides (more than these here presented; pro and con). It is a study in itself, I assure you, and an interesting one at that. But thank you for your contribution.
|14||Jesus Created or Creator???||Rev 3:14||Truthfinder||96115|
So, I see you truly believe what you believe? Good. That really is admirable. You mention that nothing will shake the faith that you have in your Lord or in His Holy Word. I sincerely hope that you don't think I would do that. What I show you, you will find does not contradict any other verse! Since I believe in the inerrancy of Scripture, my beliefs are NOT contradicted by any single verse. Thus one's faith in God's Word should be strengthened by what I show. It is faultless. Regardless, my posts are not prepared and presented in an attempt to change anyone. Many try and say that my beliefs have no Scriptural grounds. I merely show why I believe as I do from the Scriptures and scholarly research.
So, select a verse, but please tell me what your understanding of that verse is and why it supports your argument. I believe our topic was whether or not Jesus was "created" or "is the one creating". Why don't we complete this first since it too is a part of the study of the validity of the trinity doctrine. Revelation 3:14 is the topic verse. The issue is the translation of the Greek word ‘arkhe’. I will now present some facts.
1). The authoritative Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature by William Arndt and F. Wilbur Gingrich says the meaning of ‘arche’ in Revelation 3:14 is ‘first cause.”
2). Bauer’s lexicon (BAGD) lists on page 112 ‘arche’ under definition number 2. The first cause.
3). Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon lists “beginning” as its first meaning of ar·khe´. (Oxford, 1968, p. 252)
Therefore we conclude that there are at least two possibilities, the one by the first two authorities (definition number 2,) and the one by the third authority and also chosen by the NASB, RS, KJ, Dy, CC, NWT and numerous other Bible translations, “beginning”. This selection would mean that Jesus was created.
What I find interesting is that Bauer’s lexicon provides no biblical passages as parallels to that meaning it suggests. Also, BAGD goes on to say regarding the use of arkhe in Rev. 3:14 “the meaning beginning equals first created is linguistically possible.”
Possible? Well, notice the use of similar language in the NT. A check of all the occurrences in the NT of arkhe followed by a genitive expression (as in Rev. 3:14) shows that it always denotes a beginning or first part of something. Examples: Mt 24:8; Mr 13:8,19; John 2:11; Php 4:15; Heb 5:12; 6:1; 7:3; 2 Peter 3:4.
Even when used without a genitive expression arkhe means ‘beginning’ some 32 times. Mt 19:4,8; 24:21; Mr 1:1 etc.
Of the remaining 13 occurrences of arkhe in NT, 2 are used for the ‘four corners” (“extremities” NWT) of the earth. The final 11 are used to denote ‘governments” or “rulers,” and with such a meaning are always used with other expressions denoting “power” (Gr dynamis) or “authority” (Gr. Exousia).
Thus, the way I see it, the use of arkhe in general, and when used with a genitive expression specifically, favors the meaning “beginning” in Revelation 3:14.
The logical conclusion is that the one being quoted at Revelation 3:14 is a creation, the first of God’s creations, that he had a beginning. Compare Proverbs 8:22, where, as many Bible commentators agree, the Son is referred to as wisdom personified. And according to RS, NE, and JB, the one there speaking is said to be “created.”
|15||Jesus Created or Creator???||Rev 3:14||Truthfinder||96080|
Please choose one verse at a time and we can study it. Too many verses all at one time! I have these cataloged now and I can assure you that of all the 31,173 verses in the Bible only about 7 might lend toward supporting the trinity dogma. And of these they too can be properly translated to support the fact that Jehovah God is the only Almighty God. We have the time. Remember though, we must be interested in only what the original must have said and not biased translators nor scribes.
|16||Are Footnotes Biblical Evidence? :-)||Rev 3:14||Truthfinder||96078|
You know me better than that. You yourself many times have attributed truth and insight to the "qualifications" of Bible translators. I do not. You and I can can even translate. Allow me to ask you about the NASV. Do not their exegetical interpretations sway your way of thinking in the least?
|17||Jesus Created or Creator???||Rev 3:14||Truthfinder||96038|
Since the Greek manuscripts have no punctuation why try and make the trinity appear true? That is a dishonest translation of Hebrews 1:8 Here are four other Bible translations that translate this verse as the NWT does; “But with reference to the Son: ‘God is your throne forever and ever.’” AT, Mo, TC, By
|18||Jesus Created or Creator???||Rev 3:14||Truthfinder||96026|
Yes, I do know how many gods in all the Bible mentions. Some are false gods, and angels are called gods, and even some men are called by the Bible "gods". But you and I know that there is only echad elohim, ONE GOD, or only one Almighty God and then there is his beloved Son Jesus of which John 1:18 calls, the only-begotten god. And don't forget John 1:1 where Jesus is identified as the Word and "a god". Jesus again at Isaiah 9:6 a mighty god.
|19||Where does Scripture say Jesus created?||Rev 3:14||Truthfinder||96016|
Which translation of the Bible would you prefer? As we know there are so many to choose from. What about the American Standard Version? or the New American Standard Version?
Well, in the "Foreword" of the New American Standard Version, we read "This translation follows the principles used in the American Standard Version of 1901, KNOWN AS THE ROCK OF BIBLICAL HONESTY."
A.S.V. 1901. John 9:38 - "And he said, Lord I believe and he worshipped him." That is he worshipped Jesus who had given him who was born blind, his sight.
A footnote reads: (re. the word worshipped) "The Greek word denotes an act of reverence, whether paid to a creature (as here) or the Creator."
The Greek scholar's footnotes recognize Jesus' being a "creature" a "creation".
|20||Jesus Created or Creator???||Rev 3:14||Truthfinder||96011|
You say in this post that Jesus is as much the Creator as is God. That spells: Jesus is not actually God himself. Just as John 1:1 says, and the Word was "with" God. How can you be "with" someone and at the same time be him? So, I agree with you here. Jesus many times referred to his father as "his God". So he couldn't be Almighty God, too. The Father Jehovah never refers to his Son as his God and Jesus taught us to pray to the Father, since he is our God.
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