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|1||Is there any sickness in heaven?||Rev 21:4||punkiedo||115774|
|Thought you would like to know what strongs concordance says about this verse.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Mortal- zoopoieo (dzo-op-oy-eh'-o)
1) to produce alive, begat or bear living young
2) to cause to live, make alive, give life
a) by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate
b) to restore to life
c) to give increase of life: thus of physical life
d) of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life
3) metaph., of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing
Romans 8 (NLT)
11The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as he raised Christ from the dead, he will give *life* to your mortal body by this same Spirit living within you.
And this one,
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Keep in mind this is the same word used in the following scriptures:
Gen 20:17 Healed Abimelech
Ex 15:26 Because I am the Lord that healeth thee.
Ex 21:19 Thoroughly healed
Lev 13:18 Boil was healed
Lev 14:3 Leaprosy Healed
Deut 32:39 I wound and I heal
2 Kings 20:5 Hezekiah I will heal thee
Healed- rapha' (raw-faw') or raphah (raw-faw')
1) to heal, make healthful
a) (Qal) to heal
1) of God
2) healer, physician (of men)
3) of hurts of nations involving restored favour (fig)
4) of individual distresses (fig)
b) (Niphal) to be healed
1) literal (of persons)
2) of water, pottery
3) of national hurts (fig)
4) of personal distress (fig)
c) (Piel) to heal
2) of national defects or hurts (fig)
d) (Hithpael) in order to get healed (infinitive)
In other words He took the stripes for our physical healing. Jesus, did. Healing was guarenteed through his stripes. You guys can say I am twisting scripture, but this is so obvious. What amazes me is that it has taken my brother getting cancer for me to realize the power that we have in Jesus. I am tired of being a part of a powerless church. And that is all that we have become. I am just as guilty as anyone.
I use to pray that God's will be done when I would pray for the sick. I realized 2 things. 1 Jesus said IN MY NAME YOU WILL LAY HANDS ON THE SICK AND THEY SHALL RECOVER. and he even went a step farther and made another provision.
James 5:14-15 14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
and the 2nd thing that I learned is that, reading 1 corinthians 11 the woman if she lets her hair grow long has power with angels. Not just heavenly angels. The devil and his imps are angels too. I can COMMAND that the spirit of infirmity come out of someone. and it has to obey, because of my power with the angels. But that is another story for another time.
1 Corinthians 11:10
For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
|2||Is there any sickness in heaven?||Rev 21:4||punkiedo||115640|
|I am sorry you feel that way. I guess you'll just be happy being sick. Without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God. God's plan and will is to heal. he would never have said call for the elders of the church to be healed if he was not gonna heal EVERYBODY who did this. Now enough said, I refuse to once again to spat about this, I just wanted to tell you guys something that was revealed to me. Accept it or don't it is not me you're rejecting it is your savior, healer, deliverer, your GOD.
|3||Is there any sickness in heaven?||Rev 21:4||punkiedo||115637|
|Jesus said Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
THEY SHALL RECOVER. Not might or could or maybe if I feel like it. THEY SHALL RECOVER. I am tired of living below my privilege. I choose to claim my authority through Jesus. I am not usurping authority. You can't take something that is given to you. Jesus would never have allowed the scripture in James to be put in unless he planned on healing. And once again I remind you that with Jesus it is all or nothing, so if he doesn't heal all your diseases then he doesn't forgive all iniquity. And well if that's the case then it would make this whole book worthless. And I don't believe it is. I know of a guy that has been in church for like 30 years or something and in that 30 years he has not been sick at all, because he has claimed healing in Jesus. He says everytime he feels the sickness he commands satan to take his hands off of him and loose him. ALL SICKNESS IS OF THE DEVIL. And I have power over the Devil. I choose to live free. The word also says the truth will make you free. I am free from sickness and disease. I just think we need to wake up out of this dream (nightmare) the devil has us living in and allow God's TRUE will to be done.
And BTW our power is based on our belief. Read the word. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe;
Not these signs follow them that submit. I know people who have a real problem with submitting to the Lord but have an awesome healing ministry. Simply because of their faith. Jesus said to some people only believe. Some people he said believe only. Either way... It is our right as believers (not apostolics only or baptist only) BELIEVERS to have healing. I wish I could help y'all see....I pray that God opens your eyes to what you are missing out on.
|4||Is there any sickness in heaven?||Rev 21:4||punkiedo||115631|
|Well, I am glad that was your answer I would like to share something with you. Jesus said Matthew 6
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven? That means that God's will is NO SICKNESS. If there is no sickness in heaven and we are praying thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven. Hmmmm....WOW!!! I really don't want to get into a spat about this. I just think we need to realize the power that we as believers have.
1 Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.
2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:
3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;
4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;
5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.
God Bless Y'all...
|5||help!||Bible general Archive 2||punkiedo||114880|
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|6||help!||Bible general Archive 2||punkiedo||114879|
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|7||God refers to himself as "The great I Am||Ex 3:14||punkiedo||114734|
|Don't worry he bashes us (Oneness, Pentecostals) too!!!! I guess we just have to follow Jesus' example.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
|8||MARK 16:16: Was it perverted?||Bible general Archive 2||punkiedo||114010|
|George how do you explain 1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
When we are baptized we are buried with Jesus. Romans 6:3 Without baptism that dead old man that died in REPENTANCE starts to stink. I like to think of it as a child who goes outside and gets covered in mud. He can wipe the mud off but he is not clean until he gets in the water. When we repent we should be ready to get that sin off of our life. And that is what baptism does. It washes away our sins. Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Baptism is immersion in water.
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Where is the scripture that says that Baptism #1 does not save us. and #2 that it is a sign for man?
BTW maybe you should heed your own advice about 1 Timothy 2:15 AND 16 It is very important to read verse 16 too.
|9||Answering Baptismal Regenerationalist||1 Pet 3:21||punkiedo||113819|
|We are not saved by faith alone Titus just says according to his mercy he saved us not FAITH ALONE. Acts 2:38 is repentance baptism in JESUS name and infilling of the Holy Ghost, but not FAITH ALONE. Romans 10:13-15 merely states that we have to believe in Jesus, If we do we will search out the truth, but it still does not say that we are saved by FAITH ALONE Acts 2:21 says call on him it does not say that we are saved by FAITH ALONE. Acts 16:31 once again if you believe in Jesus he will show you the truth. There is a difference between belief and faith. REGARDLESS of what is said in this forum I can believe you without trusting you. Faith is BLIND TRUST. But I cant trust you and not believe you. There is a big difference between faith and trust. But it seems to me that only people full of the spirit know the difference. Ephesians 2:8-9 says we are saved by Grace through faith. So once again I am going to say it does not say FAITH ALONE. And Lastly but not least Romans 3:28 We are JUSTIFIED by faith not saved by it. So, Now that we have cleared that up ONCE AGAIN.
We are saved because Jesus died for us, but we are not saved by faith alone. You guys say belief and faith are the same well then Jesus said he that believeth and is baptized. So Jesus said belief was not enough. And in your Romans 3:28, Did you read Romans 3:24? It says that we are Justified by grace. Interestingly enough. We are not saved by faith alone. There is no scripture that says that in the bible. Faith is a part of salvation, because if I don't trust God then How could he save me? But it is not what saves us.
|10||Is healing a guarantee??||Is 53:5||punkiedo||113762|
|Anything his word says he has to do. So why would he lie? Ps 103 says he forgives ALL of my iniquities and HEALS ALL of my diseases. To me that sums it up. If he doesn't heal ALL of my diseases he doesn't forgive ALL of my iniquities.
Jesus' stripes were for our healing it does not say that it is for my spiritual healing it does not specify as I stated before, all of the diseases in the world can be traced back to 39 root diseases and that is how many stripes Jesus took for me. It was not his will that ANY should perish. You show me where there was someone in the new testament that petitioned Jesus or the disciples for healing and it was not done. There is no recorded incident. I am sorry that some of you do not believe. To me Isaiah 53:5 Made a provision for my spiritual and PHYSICAL well being. I believe God has promised in his word to heal and prolong our days. I feel sorry for those who do not believe it. You know it amazes me that I have found more people in the world that have faith that God's will is to heal than in the church.
God is not coming back for a powerless church. He is coming back for a church in FULL demonstration of Miracles signs and wonders just like the church that he left. I want to have those evident in my life, Jesus said "These signs shall follow them that believe, In my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them" but he didn't stop there, he made one more provision "THEY SHALL LAY HANDS ON THE SICK AND THEY SHALL (NOT MIGHT NOT MAYBE NOT COULD) THEY SHALL RECOVER." Mark 16:17-18
Jesus DID NOT lie.
13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
13If you are having trouble, you should pray. And if you are feeling good, you should sing praises. 14If you are sick, ask the church leaders to come and pray for you. Ask them to put olive oil on you in the name of the Lord.
15If you have faith when you pray for sick people, they will get well. The Lord will heal them, and if they have sinned, he will forgive them.
16If you have sinned, you should tell each other what you have done. Then you can pray for one another and be healed. The prayer of an innocent person is powerful, and it can help a lot.
The bible is truth. The truth doesn't set you free it MAKES you free.
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
I want him to find faith in me. What will he find in you?
|11||Is healing a guarantee??||Is 53:5||punkiedo||113757|
|Hank, I am sorry to hear about your son it sounds like you are a little bitter. It is still God's will to heal regardless. You should hear Thurman Shrivner's testamony. His grandaughter was in a car accident. Her brain was disconnect from her eyes and brainstem and her skull was crushed. you can see the full testamony at
http://www.sidroth.org/radio.htm then click on
2003 Archives scroll down and the 5th story down is Thurman Schrivner's story. He could have accepted that she was sick and would not make it or he could have prayed the word and Commanded her body to be healed. And that is what he did. It is an awesome story, in fact most of the stories on this website are awesome. God's will is to heal, I'm sorry you don't believe.
|12||Is healing a guarantee??||Is 53:5||punkiedo||113533|
|No there is an alotted time man is given. There is a certain number of years that is promised to man. And you are wrong. Natural causes. Sis. Grace a lady in my church died at 98 years of age. And she didn't die from a disease. She just went to sleep. And you could feel the peace of God so strong in her room. When we went to pray for her as we knew the time was getting close she wasn't sick or anything she said "Don't pray that God keeps me here. Pray that He takes me because I am ready to go home." And the light in her face and the light in her eyes was amazing. We don't have to die of a disease. That is a lie from the pit of hell. And your imaginary world that the devil has you trapped in needs shaken.
Where does it ever say in the bible that someone they prayed for was not healed? This is a valid question I want scripture. And it is a lack of faith. I hate to be the one to tell you but we here in America don't have a need for faith. We have even lost the concept of the word. We dont have to have faith to put gas in the car cause we have jobs, we don't have to have faith to put food on the table, because there is food stamps. We don't have to worry about the close on our back because if all else fails there are hand- me- downs. AMERICA HAS NO REASON TO HAVE FAITH. I once heard a man that lives in Etheopia say "My cross to carry was persecution your cross in America is Prosperity, I can carry my cross can you carry yours?" And he is so right. We have no reason to have faith. Well the buck stops here. I believe EVERY WORD of the bible and JESUS said these signs will follow them that believe they will lay hands on THE SICK and THEY SHALL RECOVER. Not they will lay hands on some people and they might recover. NO!!! My JESUS HEALS..... I don't know who you are serving.
|13||Is healing a guarantee??||Is 53:5||punkiedo||113532|
|Eldership has nothing to do with age. It has to do with relationship. Timothy was considered an elder of the church and theologins speculate he was in his 20's. I dont talk back. I have concerns about the Lack of faith God is coming back for a church that is just as powerful as when he left. And right now most churches aren't. Where is the power?|
|14||Is healing a guarantee??||Is 53:5||punkiedo||113531|
|You guys say God heals if it is his will, but he doesn't promise to heal? Tell that to a beaten bloody Jesus. His stripes were for my healing. Whether I accept that it is up to me.|
|15||Is healing a guarantee??||Is 53:5||punkiedo||113518|
|Jesus said these signs shall follow them that believe..and followed it up by saying they will lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. I am not saying that God promised we would never physically die. But, God did promise that we lay hands on the sick and they recover. I have yet to see God go back on his word When I pray for people I pray with faith knowing that God is going to heal them PHYSICALLY NOW. And he Does. I am just flabberghasted at the faith or lack thereof with this conversation. You guys sound real intellegent and amaze me sometimes, but WOW! saying God doesn't heal All of your diseases makes this whole book non-sense. If he didn't mean one thing he didn't mean any of it.|
|16||connection: baptism and holy spirit||Acts||punkiedo||113517|
|Where does it saved before they got the Holy Ghost? It doesn't. There is a gift of tongues and there is the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues a lot of people get the 2 confused. Speaking in tongues is for everybody. But there is a gift of tongues. WHICH IS DIFFERENT. All the people who got the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues and were baptized (baptizo meaning to imerse or submerge or clean with water). It does not say they were saved before they spoke in tongues. Everytime the Holy Ghost was poured out they spoke with other tongues. In one translation it says spoke in an unknown tongue.|
|17||Is healing a guarantee??||Is 53:5||punkiedo||113510|
|it is not Always the person who is sick's lack of faith, the bible says if there is any sick among you let them call for the elders of the church...the prayer of FAITH shall save them.. SO the majority of the time it is a lack of faith on the person doing the praying.
however I have met some people that are happy being sick.
|18||Is healing a guarantee??||Is 53:5||punkiedo||113508|
|Ok so explain Psalm 103:3
Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;
Do you know that Salvation in the old testament Almost always means SAVING HEALTH.
For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.
Deuteronomy 11:19-21 God tells the children of israel that if they teach his commandments and statutes their days would be prolonged.
all of Ps 103 is a promise to life Ps 36:9 God is the fountain of life. Ps 30:1-3 Ps 27:1 Ps21:1-4 Length of days again Pr 22:4 Pr 19:23
PR 10:27 Pr9:10-11 Pr 8:12
THat is just some of them EdB. My God heals me Everytime just like he promised. God doesn't want anyone to suffer that is why he made a provision. Do you realize that every disease in the world can be traced back to 39 root disease. Everything from the common cold to AIDS. Interestingly Jesus took 39 stripes.
|19||Saved by faith?||John 3:5||punkiedo||113505|
|Faith is seeing through the circumstance. Faith is blind trust. Hebrews 11:1 Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.
1Faith makes us sure of what we hope for and gives us proof of what we cannot see.
My mother can believe that I have potential. And she can tell me I have potential. But she doesnt have faith in me until she steps out in faith and says I have complete faith in you that you are becomming the best person you can be for God.
It is a blind un altered trust. Belief can be swayed.
Moses believed God would deliver them from the sea and pharoh, but it was his faith that made him stand up and stretch his rod over the water. To be honest with you IT DOESN'T matter,
The only thing that matters is that you provided no scripture that says we are saved by fait ALONE. It is just not there. Even though it is in alot of Christian songs, we are not saved by faith alone.
|20||Was cornelius saved by spirit||Acts 11:15||punkiedo||113499|
|I don't believe that just because I get the Holy Ghost I am going to heaven. I believe that I have to make it till the end. I have to endure without backsliding.|
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