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On or After: Wed 05/28/08 ordered by Date
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is it ok to lie in certain cases |
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Col 3:9 |
azurelaw |
Thu 08/28/08, 3:17am |
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Dear bowler,
gotquestions.org provides the below article:
Question: "Is it ever right to lie?"
Answer: It is never right to lie. The ninth commandment prohibits bearing false witness (Exodus 20:16). Proverbs 6:16-19 lists “a lying tongue” and “a false witness who pours out lies” as two of the seven abominations to the Lord. Love “rejoices with the truth” (1 Corinthians 13:6). See also (Psalm 119:29, 163; 120:2; Proverbs 12:22; 13:5; Ephesians 4:25; and Colossians 3:9.)
There are many examples of liars in Scripture, from Jacob’s deceit in Genesis 27 to the pretense of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5. Time after time, we see that falsehood leads to misery, loss, and judgment.
Sometimes a question arises concerning lies that seem to have positive results. For example, the lie the Hebrew midwives tell Pharaoh seems to result in the Lord’s blessing (Exodus 1:15-21). However, it should be obvious that the Lord is blessing the midwives’ rescue of the children, rather than any falsehood they told. God in His mercy blessed them in spite of the lie, notbecause of it.
Another example is Rahab’s lie in Joshua 2:5. God never condones her lie, but He does forgive it. Rahab’s life is spared in response to her faith, which she expresses in verses 9-11. God not only forgives Rahab’s lying, but also her idolatry and harlotry—another example of God’s mercy in action.
Recommended Resource: Overcoming Sin and Temptation by John Owen.
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Shalom
Azure |
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is it ok to lie in certain cases |
Note |
Col 3:9 |
bowler |
Thu 08/28/08, 2:37am |
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Steve
I agree that God's laws are perfect and absolute. But what about Rahab? What are we to think?
What if laying down your life for the person someone else is trying to kill is not an option being laid out on the table, like Jonathon's lie of ommission in letting David go free when Saul was trying to kill him?
Question; according to scripture was Rahab's motive to save her own hide? Yes, and to recognize God.
Question was Jonathon's motive to save his own hide? No, it was to save David's and recognize David's right to be the future king of Israel.
Both had their actions approved by God and that included lying, although the scriptures do not say that God condoned that particular part. But since there was never going to be plan B, then God ordained that they would lie, whether that was a sin or not, to save some lives that were central to God's plan that they remain alive; all of Israel through the actions of 4 spies to take Jericho, and David to be king of Israel.
I am not saying God condones sin, but He used it to His own ends.
That makes me think hard about Bathsheba, there was never going to be a plan B, David's adulterous relationship was always going to result in Solomon, of the direct lineage of Jesus. God chose not to do it any other way, and that involved two sins, murder and adultery.
Man is still responible for his sins, whatever they are, they will be punished, but sin is also part of God's plan.
Doc turned me on to a whole bunch of posts on this, but I can't find them right now. I think if you type "Secondary Causes" or "Causes as Secondary Causes" or some such you will be able to find it. Interesting stuff.
This also makes me think about the woman who got caught by the Germans for hiding Anne Frank. If I have the story right, she never spent even one day suffering, or being punished in any way for hiding Anne Frank by the Germans. Her motive was not self protection in lying by ommission and illegaly hiding Jews. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
I would say to you that you are right God's laws are never limited and they are absolute. But by the same token whatever He decides will happen are righteous and holy descisions that may include all kinds of things that His laws state are not righteous and holy - He never contradicts the law because He is perfect.
Question; why would you assume that God would be pleased that you stood on Biblical principle and refused to lie as if that were a better good than saving a life just to save a life by lying? Which one is worse lying, or being complicit in murder? That reminds me of a certain group of people that believed you could not do anything on the Sabbath because it was one of the Ten Commandment sins, as is lying, but Jesus said to them, "which one of you would not break the law to save the life of his live stock if it fell down the well?" to paraphrase that is the jist of what He meant. I think that says it all right there. I think we should be willing to consider that there are higher goods and acts than law keeping and preservation of somebody elses life might be one of them.
Luke 14:5 And He said to them, "Which one of you will have a son or an ox fall into a well, and will not immediately pull him out on a Sabbath day?"
blessings abound, bowler |
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the law on eating pork |
Note |
Matt 15:11 |
azurelaw |
Thu 08/28/08, 2:27am |
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Dear Brother CDBJ,
Amen, how much we need to be reminded of from time to time the message of the gospel (Gal chapter 3)!
Shalom
Azure |
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is it ok to lie in certain cases |
Note |
Col 3:9 |
skccab |
Thu 08/28/08, 12:57am |
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Again, Steve
You are absolutely right in that I was guilty of presuming to speak for God as if my theory is His when I made that statement - and I was completely wrong to do that!!! I misworded it horribly and didn't recognize that I had when I proof-read. Very sorry and thank you for the correction.
Cheri |
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is it ok to lie in certain cases |
Note |
Col 3:9 |
skccab |
Thu 08/28/08, 12:51am |
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Steve,
You misunderstood me!! I never said that there is a time that lying is OK or condoned by the Father. Neither is being a part of what would amount to murder. Reference scripture to back up that human life is precious to God is Lev. 22:21-23:9; Deut. 27:19, 24, 25. I'm sorry there's another passage that is on my mind but I can't find it - about a man causing the death of another man, and the dead man's blood would be on his hands and required of him (not the life for life, eye for eye passage though)
First of all lying is always wrong and will be dealt with as such. BUT if telling the truth would bring about the death of an innocent person - then unfortunatly the human person (you or myself) is put into a situation where whichever route we take is wrong and a sin. It's wrong to knowingly play a part in the death of another human being who is not deserving of the death sentence according to God's Torah and it is wrong to lie. This is what God called giving a false witness.
(Now I AM talking about situations such as Nazi Germany against the Jews and other "undesireables", or lying in a capital trial to put someone you know is innocent to death, or someone bursting into your life wanting to find someone to perform an act of revenge that you know nothing about, etc. - not just lying because it's more convenient.)
Which of the two sins could I personally live with, could you live with? I hope we never have to make such a choice!!
Shalom
Cheri |
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is it ok to lie in certain cases |
Note |
Col 3:9 |
humbledbyhisgrace |
Thu 08/28/08, 12:09am |
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Dear Cheri,
Wouldn't the fallacy in that teaching be that one believes the answer to protecting the life of another requires them to lie?
This appears to be mankind's way of justifying sin. God says not to and mankind says, well okay however, if this or that takes place then I believe I am justified. And even worse then that, you are saying God condones the very thing He prohibits in His law.
How is it one can ever justify their disobedience to God? Truly His ways are much higher then ours!
Also, consider what it is you are actually teaching. This concept would bring into question that God's laws are limited and not absolute! This would in fact insert fallacy in the perfect laws of a perfect God. His laws do not contradict one another nor is there any thing lacking in them. They are absolute, perfect, solid through and through! They come from a perfect and holy God!
Something else to consider. You speak for God as if your theory is His when you say "BUT in God's eyes a human life is the priority if and when that choice arises against an innocent person." Where in scripture do we find this teaching?
John 15:13 (NASB) "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends." - Now why would one approve of lying (sinning) when there is no requirement for them to lie (sin) and most importantly, God's law teaches us not to?
If your concern was for the persons life, scriptures says the greater love is to lay down ones life. Lying for them is not love, it's more like a selfish act to protect one's own interest.
Steve
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the law on eating pork |
Answer |
Matt 15:11 |
CDBJ |
Thu 08/28/08, 12:01am |
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Greetings,
I’ve got some great news for you!
Jesus has fixed everything so well that the only thing that will send a person to hell is failure to “completely trust” in Him.
“Believe” means to have an undivided trust in the work that Jesus did on the cross.
John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Ephes. 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
1 John 5:10-13
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Once a person puts their undivided trust in God’s Son, Jesus the Christ, God sends His Spirit into that person so they know they have eternal life as a sure thing because it all depends on Jesus.
John 20:30-31
And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
To know these truths is to have peace with God and the blanking out of all fear of hell.
Study the book of the gospel John and ask God to show you what God promises to those that believe in His Son.
CDBJ
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the law on eating pork |
Answer |
Matt 15:11 |
azurelaw |
Wed 08/27/08, 11:22pm |
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Dear docandlinda,
My simple answer : No, you will not go to hell by eating pork.
Matthew 15:11
"It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man."
Read the context from verse 1-11 of the above passage and you will find that they are much in pararllel to Isa 66:15-17 (I think you should inlude v18 as well).
Meanwhile, the below commentary by Matthew Henry should be helpful for your understand.
"v. 17. Perhaps some of those who returned out of Babylon retained such instances of idolatry and superstition as are here mentioned, had their idols in their gardens (not daring to set them up publicly in the high places) and there purified themselves (as the worshippers of the true God used to do) when they went about their idolatrous rites, one after another, or, as we read it, behind one tree in the midst, behind Ahad or Ehad, some idol that they worshipped by that name and in honour of which they ate swine's flesh (which was expressly forbidden by the law of God), and other abominations, as the mouse, or some other like animal. But the prophecy may refer to all those judgments which the wrath of God, according to the word of God, will bring upon provoking sinners, that live in contempt of God and are devoted to the world and the flesh: They shall be consumed together." --- Matthew Henry
You may also go to
http://eword.gospelcom.net/comments/isaiah/mh/isaiah66.htm
for details and other commentaries.
Shalom
Azure |
| 9 |
is it ok to lie in certain cases |
Note |
Col 3:9 |
skccab |
Wed 08/27/08, 10:47pm |
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Shalom Bowler,
Amen! Lying is always wrong, BUT in God's eyes a human life is the priority if and when that choice arises against an innocent person. (The opposite is true when human life hangs in the balance where a crime is concerned, i.e. an American capital crime, to lie to save that life would be wrong - God instituted capital punishment.)
Cheri |
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Did God create evil? |
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3 John 1:11 |
DocTrinsograce |
Wed 08/27/08, 9:49pm |
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"Many are very busy trying to construct a god for themselves, such as they think God ought to be. And it generally turns out that they fashion a god like themselves, for that saying of the psalmist concerning idols and 'idol makers' is still true, 'And those who make them are just like them, as are all who trust in them.' Psalm 135:18 These modern manufacturers of gods make them blind because they are themselves blind, and deaf because they are deaf, and dead because they are spiritually dead. Some quarrel with God as a Sovereign, and no doctrine makes them grind their teeth like the glorious truth of divine sovereignty. They profess to want a god, but... he must not be on a throne; he must not be King; he must not be absolute and universal Monarch. He must do as his creatures tell him, not as he himself wills. Their effeminate deity is not worthy to be known by the name of God!" --Charles H. Spurgeon |
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