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Are there female angels? |
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Zechariah
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What is the meaning of Zechariah chapter 5 verse 9
I had never thought of it until recently when i was told there was no female Angels. Thy were all male, if so why does it say 2 women with wings lifted up the basket of evil between heaven and earth? |
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Are there female angels? |
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Zechariah
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From what i have been able to understand from some reading and a little Heb. work on the passage - these are not angels- but are taken as agents of evil sent to carry off the "wickedness" of the people. The wings do not necessarily make them "angels. See commentary note in t"the Bible knowledge commentary" vol.1/1557 and "Expositors Bible Commentary" vol.7/634-635. |
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Zec 14 : 2 and AD 70 ? |
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Zechariah
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Zec 14:2-Can it refer to the event in AD 70 ? |
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Zec 14 : 2 and AD 70 ? |
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Zechariah
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I do not think so. I do not believe half the city was taken into exile. Plus, in verse 3 starts with "then" ... the over 1900 year wait does not seem to fit. |
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What does "after glory" mean? |
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Zech 2:8
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What does this mean, "After glory He has sent me against the nations..." The NKJV reads "He sent Me after glory," |
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What does "after glory" mean? |
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Zech 2:8
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Hi wdc, In the margin of my Study Bible for Zechariah 2:8 it offers the optional translation of "the glory". With that in mind, you will find the answer in verse five. "For I, declares the Lord, "will be a wall of fire around her, and (I) will be *the glory in her midst."
The readers of Zechariah before Christ would not know to capitalize the *Me of verse 8 as your NKJ version does. But now since we know the resurrected, glorifed Christ we know of whom it speaks.
There is a definite connection between Zechariah 2:8, 4:9, and 6:15 when you follow your NKJ.
If you capitalize the Servant the Branch as does your NKJ you can also relate to the Lord of host of Zechariah 3:10 and 1:3. Also 1:4 where it says, "But they did not listen or give heed to *Me,..."
Later, Ray |
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What does "after glory" mean? |
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Zech 2:8
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Greetings Ray!
Are you using the Nelson Study Bible?
Blessings to you,
Nolan |
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What does "after glory" mean? |
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Zech 2:8
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Hi Nolan Keck, No, Nolan, I am not familiar with the Nelson Study Bible. I use "The International Inductive Study Bible" and now with the newer copyright I'll have to start using "The New Inductive Study Bible", Harvest House Publishers.
What further comment would you have? Later, Ray |
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What does "after glory" mean? |
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Zech 2:8
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Hello Ray!
I was just curious, my friend, that was all! :-)
Thank you.
Total peace and goodwill,
Nolan |
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Why is Me capitalized? |
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Zech 2:9
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In the NASB, "Me" is capitalized at the end of the verse. I was wondering, if this is me, referring to Zechariah the prophet, why it is capitalized? If it is not me, referring to Zechariah the prophet, then who is it referring to? The same happens at the end of verse 11. |
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Why is Me capitalized? |
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Zech 2:9
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"From verse 8, we see that the text reads, "For thus says the LORD of hosts..." In my Bible, the quote continues through verse 9 into 10, then picks up again with verses 11-13. It does not refer to Zechariah, but to God. It is interesting to note however that the Lord of hosts (from verse 8) is sent by the Lord of Hosts in verse 9. Do you think that this could possibly be an Old Testament revelation of the Trinity?
In Him,
Benjamite |
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Why is Me capitalized? |
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Zech 2:9
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Hi Skeezix, If you type in Zech 4:10 and Zech 2:8 in the Search you should find discussions of capitalization in Zechariah. We would welcome any comments there as well.
Zechariah 9:9 NKJ, "Behold, your *King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey. A colt, the foal of a donkey."
Zechariah 4:9b,NKJ "Then you will know that the Lord of hosts has sent *Me to you."
Welcome to the forum.
From the heart, Ray |
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what was the angel talking about |
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Zech 4:6
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In the verse Zech.4:6 what are they talking about in reference to "not by might nor by power but by my spirit |
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what was the angel talking about |
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Zech 4:6
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In the verse Zech.4:6 what are they talking about in reference to "not by might nor by power but by my spirit |
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what was the angel talking about |
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Zech 4:6
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This is the Angel of the Lord speaking to Zechariah. They are words to Zerubbabel to go ahead with the building of the temple in Jerusalem. This will be done not by might nor power (of men or nations) but by the Spirit of God. In other words, Do not worry about it or have doubts about it. God himself will build it, and who or what can stop Him?
Also, some say anywhere in the OT where the title "Angel of the Lord" appears, it is a title of the pre-incarnate Christ. Hence the seven lampstands as in Revelation, refers to the NT Church.
Certainly, "And he shall bring forth the capstone With shouts of "Grace, grace to it!""
the Capstone is Christ, Psalm 118
21 I will give you thanks, for you answered me; you have become my salvation.
22 The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone;
23 the LORD has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes.
26 Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD. From the house of the LORD we bless you.
Capstone to what?
Matt 21:42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes?
43 "Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit."
The Church. How was the Church built? By the Spirit. this entire vision is not only a word to build the Temple, but a forshadowing of the Church. It really is more a prophesy of Christ than of the Temple. |
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what was the angel talking about |
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Zech 4:6
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Scripture ... Zec 4:6 - context chapter 4 ...
Darius Vincent Clardy, greetings,
Zechariah was having his fifth vision. It included two olive trees (vs 3), which are Joshua (high priest - ch 3) and Zerubbabel (ch 4) (vs 14).
Zerubbabel did not have the by might or power of David or other kings. So he had to rely on His Spirit, symbolized by the oil (vs 12). The angel encouraged Zerubbabel to complete the Temple (vv 7-10) and reassured him of the enabling of the Spirit to get it done.
Hope this helps,
Searcher |
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verse referring to grace ,stone |
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Zech 4:7
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what is the verse referring to about grace and the stone? |
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verse referring to grace ,stone |
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Zech 4:7
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My thoughts...The "mountain" is probably an impossible task that can only be accomplished by God's Spirit.
The "top stone" is the final touch to the rebuilt temple when it is completed.
"Grace, grace to it" is the enabling of Zerubbabel by God's Spirit as an expression of His grace. Hope this helps. |
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verse referring to grace ,stone |
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Zech 4:7
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rain,
I agree with blue that "mountain" refers to mountainous obstacles and that they can be overcome by faith in Christ. I think the term "top stone" (NASB) refers to Christ as both the corner stone (first to be laid) and top (cap) stone (last to be laid) which shows Him to be the ALPHA AND OMEGA of our faith in overcoming seemingly mountainous obstacles. Verse 9 seems to explain this by using the terms "foundation" and "finish".
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Despised the day of small things? |
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Zech 4:10
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What is meant in this verse by "who has despised the day of small things"? |
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Despised the day of small things? |
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Zech 4:10
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Nolan,
It could be those who rememeber the grand Temple of Solomon and the current Temple (vs 9)was puny (Ezr 3:12-13).
No matter, since the Lord was in it, the people will rejoice even this Temple is done.
Remember what He did with insignificant people like Gideon. No one is no small for Him to do big things through.
Steve
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Despised the day of small things? |
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Zech 4:10
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Thanks Steve.. :)
Yes, we cannot forget the Temple of Solomon and all its grandeur! Those who had a memory of the first one probably felt that the second was a 'far cry' from even resembling the first one.
Good obervation!
Nolan |
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Despised the day of small things? |
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Zech 4:10
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Hi Nolan, Its no small thing that we ourselves are temples of the Most High.
In the verse preceding this it says, "The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, and his hands will finish it. Then you will know that the Lord of hosts has sent Me* to you."
Zech 2:8 "After glory He has sent Me* against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches you, touches the apple of His eye."
Zech 6:15, "And those who are far off will come and build the temple of the Lord." Then you will know that the Lord of hosts has sent Me* to you. And it will take place, if you completely obey the Lord your God."
The capitalization of "me" is not found in the NASB. You'll have to go to the NKJ for that.
Two other places of capitalization interests would be Zechariah 8:3 and 6:12 |
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Despised the day of small things? |
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Zech 4:10
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Greetings Ray!
This is a significant and interesting passage to view in light of our ongoing studies in capitalization. In Zech. 4:9, the word "me" (as stated in the NASB) is capitalized in the NKJV (as you have mentioned) and rendered this way in the Amplified: "The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundations of this house; his hands shall also finish it. Then you shall know (recognize and understand) that the Lord of hosts has sent me [His messenger] to you." It is interesting that the Amplified does not capitalize 'me' and 'messenger', but it capitalizes 'His'.. Apparently, the NASB and Amplified took 'me' and 'messenger' to ultimately refer to the angel to whom Zechariah was speaking with in 4:1-6.. So in this way, the NASB remains 'consistent' by referring back to the angel, whereas the NKJV feels it more 'appropriate' (and this is where I feel that there is some 'interpretation' here on the part of the NKJV) to render 4:10 as "Me" since they feel that this is 'best explained' as the Angel of the Lord (3:1,6) or the Ultimate Messenger- that being Jesus Christ. Either way, the message gets across to the recipients.
I'll follow up on Zech. 6:12,15 and 8:3 in another post since I'm not sure how much room I have here..
Nolan |
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Despised the day of small things? |
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Zech 4:10
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Hello again, Ray!
Zechariah 2:8 is interesting also, saying in the NASB, "For thus says the LORD of hosts, “After glory He has sent me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches you, touches the apple of His eye."
The NKJV puts it this way, "For thus says the LORD of hosts: “He sent Me after glory, to the nations which plunder you; for he who touches you touches the apple of His eye."
The Amplified states it this way, "For thus said the Lord of hosts, after [His] glory had sent me [His messenger] to the nations who plundered you- for he who touches you touches the apple or pupil of His eye:"
So the NKJV is 'unique' in that it capitalizes "Me" in reference to "Lord of hosts", whereas the NASB and Amplified do not capitalize in reference to "His messenger".. Is the messenger Jesus, God, the Angel of the Lord, or Zechariah himself? Good question. Ultimately, the NKJV translators thought that this was a reference to God or the Angel of the Lord or Jesus here. The NASB and Amplified viewed this as referring to Zechariah, being the prophet that is sent to speak to Israel.
Excellent observation on Zech 6:12, which refers to Jesus as "a man whose name is Branch".. :) The NKJV goes a little further here by stating, "the BRANCH!"..
Zech. 6:15 capitalizes "Me" while the NASB says "me".. The Amplified says, "the Lord sent me [Zechariah]". I agree with the NASB and Amplified translators here, that this is a reference to Zechariah. I disagree with the NKJV here, where the NKJV clearly interprets this verse as referring to Deity.
Nolan |
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Despised the day of small things? |
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Zech 4:10
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Hello again, Ray!
Sorry about the 'repeat' in postings, but you had a lot packed into your reponse!
You said, "Hi Nolan, Its no small thing that we ourselves are temples of the Most High." I most certainly agree with you, it is 'no small thing' indeed.
You also referenced Zech. 8:3.. Isn't it amazing when we think of this verse in application to our own bodies? Wow! The text here is essentially the same throughout the NKJV, NASB, and Amplified, and the meaning is stated clearly as such in all three.
If anything is obtained from these studies of capitalization, then it is that I am gaining a new appreciation for the NASB and learning more about the NKJV. I'm learning that the NKJV capitalizes at liberty and is in many places 'unique' in its interpretation of where or where not to capitalize. I have found many places in the NKJV where I do not agree with its method of capitalization simply because (in my opinion) they were reading a little too much into the text.. :) But Ray, that is just my own opinion, and if the NKJV suits you in the best way, then by all means have at it, my friend! :)
Nolan |
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Despised the day of small things? |
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Zech 4:10
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Hi Nolan, Have you noticed how many times Zechariah speaks about the (Lord) of hosts. There should be many dwelling in the City of Truth. Zech 8:3
Personally, for Zechariah I lean toward the NKJ version with its Servant and the Man, Branch. I lean toward the Angel also.
Have you considered my "brain teaser" of John 17-Malachi?
By the way, give me a more indepth reason for not capitalizing Me in Zechariah 6:15; for I see it referring directly back to verse 12 and a (Man) whose name is Branch. For it is He who will build the temple of the Lord. |
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Despised the day of small things? |
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Zech 4:10
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Hello Ray,
You stated, "Have you considered my "brain teaser" of John 17-Malachi?".. Where was this brain teaser? I must have overlooked that somewhere..
As for Zechariah 6:15, the Believer's Study Bible states, "6:9-15 The exiles in Babylon sent a delegation of three men, Heldai (called “Helem” in v. 14), Tobijah, and Jedaiah, to Jerusalem with gifts of silver and gold. Zechariah is instructed to receive the deputation that very day in the house of a Jew named Josiah (called “Hen” in v. 14). From this offering Zechariah is to make a crown and symbolically place it upon Joshua’s head. This symbolic crowning of Joshua foreshadows the ultimate crowning of the Branch (v. 12), i.e., the Messiah (cf. 3:8, note; Isa 4:2; 11:1; Jer 23:5), who one day shall rule upon His throne as both Priest and King. The placing of the crown upon Joshua’s head, rather than upon Zerubbabel’s, avoids misunderstanding of the act as one of political rebellion against Persia and pictures the ultimate uniting of spiritual (priest) and civil (king) authority in Jesus Christ (cf. Ps 110:4, note; Heb 5:5-10; Rev 3:21; 5:9-14; 11:15; 20:4-6)."
The Cambridge Annotated Study Bible states,"6:9-15 The Branch is to be Crowned. Precious metal is to be collected from four former exiles (otherwise unknown), and from it is to be made a crown to be placed on the head of the high priest Joshua. The Hebrew reads, crowns, which may indicate one for the priest and one for the future king, who is identified as the Branch (cf. Zech 3:8), and whose rule will be coordinated with that of the priest in peaceful understanding. Both crowns are to remain in the temple until the great day of coronation arrives. The builders of the temple will come from far off to aid the construction, which will confirm that the prophet’s message was from the LORD—so long as the people are obedient to his will."
These verses are clearly referring to the Messiah, and the early Jews considered this verse as Messianic. However, I can find no other reference other than the NKJV that attributes Deity to the word 'me' in Zech. 6:15.. When I find a translation or work that states this as so, then I will let you know..
Nolan |
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Despised the day of small things? |
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Zech 4:10
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Hi Nolan, There are only a few more capitalization possibilities for the book of Zechariah.
The NKJ capitalizes King in 9:9 and 14:9 along with the NASB in 14:17.
The NKJ capitalizes the Man and the Shepherd in 13:7.
There are three additional upper case pronouns in my personal copy. I capitalize the Shepherd of Zech 10:2. "They are afflicted, because there is no Shepherd. My anger is kindled against the shepherds,..."
And, finally, in 14:9 counting two additional pronouns along with the King. "And the Lord will be (King) over all the earth; in that day the Lord will be the only One, and His name the only One." He is greatly to be praised.
If you're not tired of looking at capitalization you can go to the Quick Search for brain teaser. |
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Despised the day of small things? |
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Zech 4:10
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Hi Ray, I believe that the NASB only capitalizes in 14:17 and in 13:7 (Shepherd only) in all the verses that you have cited.
However, the Amplified capitalizes 'King' in 9:9, 14:9, and 14:17, but fails to capitalize in 10:2 and 13:7..
The NKJV capitalizes in 9:9, 13:7, 14:9 and 14:17 but does not in 10:2.
I am at a loss as to explain all the 'discrepancies' in capitalization here, but bringing this difference into light is very interesting, Ray! Don't worry, I haven't wearied enough of capitalization not to see your 'brain teaser'.. :)
Your Brother in Christ,
Nolan |
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