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Hi JVH, There are nine passages that say "filled with the Holy Spirit" and one "filled with the Spirit". I noticed that John the baptizer was filled wih the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother's womb and scripture was quoted of what he would do. Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke of the fruit of the womb which might be a quote from the Psalms. Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied and quoted scripture. Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit and quoted scripture to fight temptation. Now I don't believe that Jesus will be full of Himself here. Would it be plausible to make the Holy Spirits so far into holy spirit. In other words, they used the holy spirit of the word of God. What do you think? Later, Ray |
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John 9:3
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I do not fully agree with you that we were not created by God. God may not have created us the way he created Adam and Eve, but I believe He has a hand in our creation.
Acts 17:24 says "God made the world and all things therein". In verse 26 it says, "and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth and hath determined the times before appointed and the bounds of their habitation".
Jeremiah says the Lord came and told him that he knew him before he was formed in his mother's womb and He sanctified and appointed him a prophet unto all nations (Jeremiah 1:5).
An angel of the Lord told Zacharias that his wife would have a child and what he would be like (Luke 1:13-17).
So...doesn't God have a hand in our creation??
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What would Zachariah have prayed? |
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Luke 1:9
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according to the custom, an individual priest could offer the incense at daily sacrifice only once in his liftime. He would have prayed a corporate prayer for the people [vs 10] and prayed that the Messiah come. Maybe Zacharias being a devout man, would have prayed for the son he longed for for such a long time? On the special occasion of his service to God in his official capacity on this day..he most likely would have prayed fervently for every need he had. |
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What would Zachariah have prayed? |
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"1:9 chosen by lot. The privilege of burning incense would happen only once in the lifetime of any priest." (Ryrie Study Bible)
"1:8,9 Zacharias served for one week twice a year at the temple, one of perhaps 18,000 priests who served in a year. Offering the incense was something a priest could do only once in his career. It was a great moment for Zacharias, all the more so because of the sovereign plan God had for him and his family." (Nelson NKJV Study Bible)
"chosen by lot. See Neh. 11:1; Prov. 16:33; Jonah 1:7; Acts 1:26." (NIV Study Bible) |
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Waiting for what? |
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Luke 1:21
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"1:21 wondering at his delay. The people probably wondered if Zacharias had died." (The Ryrie Expanded Edition NASB Study Bible)
"The people at the temple awaited the Aaronic blessing of the high priest (see Num. 6:24–26). The conclusion of the offering occurred only after the priests emerged from the holy place." (Nelson NKJV Study Bible)
"1:21 marveled that he lingered so long. Zacharias was only supposed to offer incense, then come out to pronounce the familiar blessing of Num. 6:23-27 on the people who were waiting in the temple court. The conversation with the angel would have taken additional time." (MacArthur NKJV Study Bible)
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"...you can believe anything." |
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"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12 NASB)
At the beginning of the new millennium, Christians find themselves living in a spiritually eclectic time. In "Jesus Among Other Gods," Ravi Zacharias observes:
"Philosophically, you can believe anything, so long as you do not claim it to be true.
"Morally, you can practice anything, so long as you do not claim that it is a 'better' way.
"Religiously, you can hold to anything, so long as you do not bring Jesus Christ into it."
Unquestioning acceptance of all things "spiritual" is absurd.
--JVH0212
"In essentials unity, in nonessentials liberty, and in all things charity."
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Early church support for Peter as Pope? |
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Bible general Archive 1
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Oops... did the first one twice. Sorry about that. 2nd installment from the same source.
In 452 he persuaded Attila the Hun to spare the city of Rome. Later (455), he induced Genseric the Vandal to have mercy of the city. This greatly enhanced his reputation.
He proclaimed himself Lord of the Whole Church; advocated Exclusive Universal Papacy; said that resistance to his authority was a sure way to hell; advocated death penalty for heresy.
However, the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon (451), composed of assembled Bishops from all over the world, in spite of the Emperor's Act, and Leo's claim, gave the Patriarch of Constantinople Equal Prerogatives with the Bishop of Rome.
Hilarus (461-468) continued the policy of his predecessor.
Simplicius (468-483), was Roman Pope when the Western Empire came to an end (476). This left the Popes free from civil authority. The various new small kingdoms of the barbarians into which the West was now broken furnished the Popes opportunity for advantageous Alliances, and gradually the Pope became the most commanding figure in the West.
Gregory I (590-604), generally regarded as the First Pope. He appeared at a time of Polical Anarchy and great Public Distress throughout Europe. Italy, after the Fall of Rome (476), had become a Gothic kingdom; later a Byzantine Province under control of the Eastern Emperor; and now was being pillaged by the Lombards. Gregory's influence over the various kings had a stabilizing effect. He established for himself complete control over the churches of Italy, Spain, Gaul and England whose conversion to Christianity was the great event of Gregory's times. Gregory labored untiringly for the Purificaiton of the Church; deposed neglectful or unworthy Bishops; and opposed with great zeal the practice of simony, the sale of office. He exerted great influence in the East, although he did not claim jurisdiction over the Eastern Church. The Patriarch of Constantinople called himself "Universal Bishop". This greatly irritated Gregory, who rejected the title as vicious and haughty, and refused to allow it to be applied to himself. Yet he practically exercised all the authority the title stood for. In his personal life he was a good man, one of the purest and best of the popes, untiring in his efforts for justice to the oppressed, and unbounded in his charities to the poor. If all popes had been such as he, what a difference estimate the world would have of the Papacy!
Zacharias (741-752), was instumental in making Pepin, father of Charlemagne, King of the Franks, a Germanic people occupying western Germany and northern France.
Stephen II (752-757). At his request, Pepin led his army to Italy, conquered the Lombards, and gave their lands, a large part of central Italy, to the Pope.
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ME: This was the beginning of Papal States or Temporal Dominion of the Popes. Thus it slowly became known as the "Holy Roman Empire", a name rather than an accomplished fact. It existed for about a thousand years, and was put to an end by Napoleon (1806). It served the purpose in blending the Roman and German civilizations.
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Nicolas I (858-867). First pope to wear a crown. To promote his claim of Universal Authority he used with great effect the "PSEUDOISIDORIAN DECRETALS", a book that appeared about 857, containing documents that purported to be letters and decrees of Bishops and Councils of the 2nd and 3rd centuries, all tending to exalt the power of the Pope. They were deliberate forgeries and corruptions of ancient historical documents, but their spurious character was not discovered till some centuries later. Whether Nicolas knew them to be forgeries, at least he lied in stating that they had been kept in the archives of the Roman church from ancient times. But they served their purpose, in "stamping the claims of the medieval priesthood with the authority of anitquity". "The Papacy, which was the growth of seveal centuries was made to appear as something complete and unchangeable from the very beginning". "The object was to ante-date by 5 centuries the Pope's Temporal Power". "The most colossal literary fraud in history". "Yet it strengthened the Papacy more than any other one agency, ana dorms to a large extent the Basis of the Canon Law of the Roman Church."
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Matt 13:23 Woe unto you scribes and pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgement, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matt 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Matt 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Matt 23:26 Thou blind pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Matt 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outside, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Matt 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men but within ye are full of hypocrisy and and iniquity.
Matt 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Matt 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Matt 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Matt 23:32 Fill up then the measure of your fathers.
Matt 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Matt 23:34 Wherefore behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Matt 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the Temple and the altar.
Matt 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Jer 4:22 For My people is foolish, they have not known Me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
Mrk 4:12 That seeing the may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them."
Mrk 4:13 And He said unto them, " Know ye not this parable? How then will ye know all parables?
Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand My speech? even because ye cannot hear My word.
Jhn 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. he was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Matt 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Matt 10:15 Verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgement, than for that city.
Matt 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Matt 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
Matt 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto Him, and set him in the midst of them,
Matt 18:3 And said," Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in My name receiveth Me.
Matt 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Matt 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! |
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Lionstrong - God's love, plan-unbiblical |
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Rom 1:18
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Thank you Joe and may God bless you.
I read all of it. It raised some questions and some thoughts, but all and all I think we think along the same lines. This might be long so please bear with me.
Eph 1:4,5 "just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blamless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to to kind intention of His will" NASB. Is that US individually our US as a group as in the church?
2 Thes 2:13 "But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethern beloved of the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through the santification by the Spirit and faith in the truth." NASB
This brings me to some of my questions. The beginning of our creation here in the world as we know it or THE beginning? Rev 13:8 seems to make it clear that it was from THE begining. To my thimking that would mean on e of three things.
A. God looked in to the future (as we understand future) and made the decision who's name to write down.
B. God loved the elect while they were as yet still nothingness, before they existed.
C. We existed from the foundation of the world. "In the beginning was the Word and the elect, the Word and the elect were with God, and the Word became man as the elect had to (though the Word did not have to)." I guess we would have just hung out with God until it was our time to be born.
This is my theory, let me know what you think. We know that there are, what I'll call the unelect, who are destined to be destroyed for God's purposes; Pharaoh, Judas, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, ect.. Then there are the elect, of which I think there might be two types. Some that were foreknew and their names were written in the book of life; Moses, Abraham, Jacob, John (the baptist), Wesly, Knox, Calvin, Graham, ect.. These gaints of the faith and earth changers had their names written in the book fram the foundation of the world. This is why Zacharias was told to name his son John (Luke 1:13), because that name was all ready written in the book. Then there are the rest of us. When we accept His free gift of salvation our names are written in the book. (Another theroy might be that everyone is written in the book and then some taken out. Ex32:32,33; Ps 69:28). This would help explain Luke 15:7 "I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents, than over nintey-nine rightous persons who need no repentence." NASB. If just being elect and having your name written in the book were a done deal for salvation, why all the rejoicing? As I write this I'm thinking maybe we are all written in the book, our repentence keep our name from being blotted out and that is why all the rejoicing takes place. For Paul belied all Israel were of the elect and that all would be saved, Rom 11:25-32. This might also put 1 Cor 10;32,33 in context.
If you find major holes in this theroy, Please point them out.
You said:
'He obviously died for only a select few. In Romans 9, Paul calls them "the elect." If God HAD died for everybody, then everybody would be saved. Do you really think that people whom God has decided to save can resist His will? Do you put mere man on the same level as God?'
My reply;
As to the second question; NO of course not.
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Zec 6:12 and 3:8, Orient for Branch? |
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I like to cross check different Bibles and today I was checking a KJV against a Catholic Douay version.
The verses I read were from Zechariah or Zacharias as follows:
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Zec 6:12 - And speak unto him, saying,"Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the Man Whose name is The Branch; and He shall grow up out of His place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:
Then I read the Douay which said
Zac 6:12 - And thou shalt speak to him, saying: Thus saith the Lord of hosts, saying: Behold A Man, The Orient Is His Name: and under him shall he spring up, and shall build a temple to the Lord.
The Orient became the Branch in the different books and also this happens in Chapter 3:8 also.
I find this strange, does anyone have an explanation for this? |
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Zec 6:12 and 3:8, Orient for Branch? |
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Zech 6:12
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I like to cross check different Bibles and today I was checking a KJV against a Catholic Douay version.
The verses I read were from Zechariah or Zacharias as follows:
KJV
Zec 6:12 - And speak unto him, saying,"Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the Man Whose name is The Branch; and He shall grow up out of His place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:
Then I read the Douay which said
Zac 6:12 - And thou shalt speak to him, saying: Thus saith the Lord of hosts, saying: Behold A Man, The Orient Is His Name: and under him shall he spring up, and shall build a temple to the Lord.
The Orient became the Branch in the different books and also this happens in Chapter 3:8 also.
I find this strange, does anyone have an explanation for this? |
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Zec 6:12 and 3:8, Orient for Branch? |
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Zech 6:12
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Word study ... Tsemach is the word in Hebrew (a noun). It means sprout, growth, branch. It is from tsamach, a verb, also seen in Zec 6:12 "whose name is Branch, for He will branch out" (NAS).
Since I don't have a Douay Interlinear Bible, I can only guess that the root word for "Orient" is "spring". No matter, it does not make sense why the translation is "Orient".
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Isn't Prophecy a Spiritual Gift? |
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Isaiah
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Malachai is the last prophet.
Dear Tim,
Thanks for your patience!
In the Spirit of Love and Faith and Hope, I will show why Malachai was the last prophet, within the King James Version of the Word and anyone after him who says they are a prophet, is not.
Lets start with Malachai.
Mal 4:5 - "Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
Mal 4:6 - And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."
In Luke 1, an angel appears to Zacharias, John the Baptist's father, and tells him about his son to come.
Luke 1:16 - And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
Luke 1:17 - And he shall go before Him in the spirit and power of Elias(Elijah), to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
Matt 11:13 - For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Matt 11:14 - And if ye will receive it, this is Elias(Elijah), which was for to come.
In other words,
Luke 16:16 - The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and everyman presseth into it.
As it is written the "the law and the prophets" were only until John and since that time the Word is only preached. The following verses leave no more question to who John the Baptist was, as Jesus tells His disciples. And I also believe this verse clears up the questions in regards to 1 Cor and the spiritual gift of prophesy to be understood as "preach" which in the right context in Greek is evangelizo meaning to announce a joyful message; having regard to the matter announced, not the manner, which is contained in the Greek word kerusso which means to proclaim(as a herald), from kerux, a herald, without reference to the matter proclaimed (which is contained in evangelizo); and without including the idea of teaching but in context of spreading the "Good News".
Matt 17:10 - And His disciples asked Him, saying," Why then say the scribes that Elias(Elijah) must first come?"
Matt 17:11 - And Jesus answered and said unto them,"Elias(Elijah) is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall the Son of man suffer of them."
Matt 17:13 - Then the disciples understood that He spake unto them of John the Baptist.
As it is written John the Baptist was indeed Elijah and they knew him not and since the law and the prophets were until John and John was Elijah, that would make Malachai the last prophet because Elijah was before Malachai by the Word of Iesous.
IN the Love of the Father and His Son, casiv
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No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? |
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Acts 17:11
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Norrie:
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. I agree 100 percent with Hank's recommendations of the best, most trustworthy Christian radio broadcasters. To that list I would add Ravi Zacharias.
All of Hank's recommendations can be heard on many, many radio stations. I especially recommend the Bott Radio Network. You will never hear heretical trash on this network nor from any of the preachers recommended by Hank.
For more information go to www.bottradionetwork.com/
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will angels speek to u ? |
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NT general
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Only if you speak first :-) Where do you mean, Ark, here on earth or in heaven? Scripture records a number of occasions on which angels appeared before men and as messengers of God spoke their piece. An angel appeared to Zacharias to announce the birth of John the Baptist. The angel Gabriel appeared to Mary to make the most important announcement any angel ever made, the announcement of the birth of Christ. An angel appeared to Joseph with a message about Mary. Later on after Jesus was born, an angel appeared to both Mary and Joseph to direct them to take the Child to Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. These are but four examples (I cite them because it is the Christmas season). If you do a search of angels in a good Bible concordance, you will find a number of references. Angels play a significant role in Scripture; God uses them on various occasions to accomplish His purpose...... And angels do speak in heaven, too. For more on this, consult the book of Revelation. --Hank |
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Call those things that are not |
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Mother: None of the following is intended to be harsh or critical. These are merely suggestions offered out of concern for you and my desire to be helpful.
I would recommend that you NOT watch or listen to Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland or any other Word Faith teachers.
Why not Joyce Meyer? See the following posting: "Did Jesus spend 3 days in hell? Answer Bible general kalos Mon 09/24/01, 7:51am."
As for where else to turn, may I suggest the programming on the Bott Radio Network (www.bottradionetwork.com)?
This network features many outstanding Bible teachers, including, among others: Greg Laurie, Woodrow Kroll, Adrian Rogers, "Concerned Women Today with Beverly LaHaye", Billy Graham, Dennis Rainey, Dr. James Dobson, John MacArthur, "Hope For The Heart" with June Hunt, Charles Stanley, Chuck Swindoll, "Janet Parshall's America", Josh McDowell, Ravi Zacharias, Jack Hayford, Kay Arthur, J. Vernon McGee, R.C. Sproul, "Revive Our Hearts" with Nancy Leigh DeMoss, John Ankerberg, D. James Kennedy, David Jeremiah.
Even if there is no Bott Radio Network station in your area, there are other stations throughout the country where many of the above teachers can be heard.
Grace to you,
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A very good, inexpensive resource which answers all of the questions you raise here is entitled _Can I Trust the Bible?_ by Darrell L. Bock. It is part of the Ravi Zacharias International Ministries "Critical Questions Series" and can be ordered for just a few bucks from their web site (www.rzim.org). It also contains a bibliography for further reading.
Hope this helps out!
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Call those things that are not |
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Mother, let me say first of all that you have amply convinced me that you are an honest, sincere seeker for the truth found only in the word of God. My heart goes out to you and my prayers are for you in your struggle with a reading comprehension disability. To touch on some of the points you raised: (1) Acts 17:11 is not my "translation"; it is from the NASB and leaves little room for variant interpretations. (2) "God helps those who help themselves" along with another familiar axiom, "Cleanliness is next to godliness" are often ascribed to Scripture but are not to be found there. It has been said in jest that both quotations are from Hezekiah, chapter 4, but try finding the book of Hezekiah in the Bible! (It doesn't exist). (3) I can't help but wonder: do you not have a pastor to whom you can turn for counsel and instruction? I've wondered the same thing about other members of this forum who have presented problems and posed questions on which a pastor or teacher in the members' local congregations should be able to, and ought to, provide assistance. (4) Regarding your fears of following the wrong teaching, I have some misgiving about posting specific direction on this forum, but will venture out to this extent at least: Be extremely careful of whose counsel you heed on the Internet, on the TV cable networks, and on religious radio shows. On the latter two media, I can recommend the following list, which is by no means comprehensive, of teachers/preachers who are trustworthy (listed in no particular order): Charles Stanley, Adrian Rogers, R.C.Sproul, David Jeremiah, Richard Land, Chuck Colson, Ravi Zacharias, James Dobson, Vernon McGee (deceased, but his talks are re-broadcast), Larry Burkett (money matters from a Christian perspective), and any re-broadcasts of the Billy Graham crusades. This list is woefully sparse; there are other sound expositors of the word of God on the airwaves. But there is an army of fakes, frauds, deceivers and charlatans out there too. Extreme caution is advised! --Hank |
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Any good Christian Apologetic Discussion |
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Hi Hank, The answers given were clear. I think that we have our work cut out for us in communicating the Gospel with the same veracity the opposition is obfuscating the truth. I am particularly interested in the following:
1) Historical events that can be interpreted in support of the Christian Apologetic.
2) Scientific discoveries that corroborate Scripture.
3) Philisophical arguments supporting the Theistic Christian Worldview.
I have been spending quite a lot of time reading Ravi Zacharias, Norman Geisler, Hugh Ross, Josh McDowell, etc.
A couple of big holes in my studies have been along the lines of historical evidence for the general benevolent standards of Christ followers (a.k.a. Christians). And scientific evidence refuting the theory of evolution as the mechanism for the development of biological life from one specie to another. I frequent trueorigins.org, tektonics.org, reasons.org, and several other sites with apologetic value. I am currently searching for a discussion site that actively tackles these difficult issues for the purpose of preparing believers to give an account for our beliefs to the world. The Internet appears to largely be untilled soil for the Church. For example, if you search infidels.org or talkorigins.org and compare the research their with most equivalent Christian websites, you will find quite a lot less logical discipline being weaved into the Christian sites.
Blessings, -Van |
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legitimacy of the bible |
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dear jenbrock, if he doesn't trust Christ now the inspiration of the bible may not be the real focus. he would likely believe that there is no one true god and therefore the focus will be on the veracity of the person of Jesus the Christ and God the Father. a question to ask him might be that "if God is, and if He is the Creator and Sustainer of all that is, could he not, in from that place of supreme power inspire and cause to be written a book of truth about himself in the context of the history of man? and having done so is He then not also able in his wisdom and power to protect it's integrity and communicate truths of Himself to mankind? the focus will always come back on God; is He real, who is He. the challenge will be to direct this man to consider what the bible says about God and wether or not these things are true. i would further recommend rzi ministries they're on the net at rzim.org i think. Ravi Zacharias is from India and an evangelist/apologist to the intellectual elite. he is the best! ask me more specific Questions if you want. dasev |
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You wrote:
"When Paul said that all scripture is inspired by God, the scripture he most likely had was the Septuagint."
Paul, being a Pharisee, also had the Hebrew Scriptures, which would have been used in all Jewish worship.
The Apocrypha was not declared by the Roman Catholic Church to be part of the canon of Scripture until the counter-Reformation of the 16th century (that would be the Council of Trent). Which is why Luther did not recognize them: they were declared to be canonical after the Reformation began.
A thorough analysis of how the church recognized the New Testament canon is beyond the scope of a 5000-word post. I would recommend a booklet by Darrell Bock entitled "Can I Trust the Bible?". It is available through Ravi Zacharias' web site (www.rzim.org).
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John was not Elijah himself:
'But the angel said to him, "Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your petition has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you will give him the name John. You will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother's womb. And he will turn many of the sons of Israel back to the Lord their God. It is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS BACK TO THE CHILDREN, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous, so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."'
--Luke 1:13-17
And, yes, John would still have doubts. How many times had God made His presence clearly known to the people of Israel, only to be subsequently doubted and even rejected? The Pharisees had ringside seats to the miracles of Jesus, and they too doubted his words. Peter denied Christ, faltering in what he had seen for several years to be the truth. You seem to want to ascribe to us a lot more steadfastness than we as human beings often exhibit.
--Joe! |
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