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How best to translate Ps. 45:6? |
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I was wondering if Ps. 45:6 could be translated any other way than "Thy throne O God, is forever and ever..." This is directly quoted in Hebrews chapter 1. Some groups, notably Jehovah's Witnesses, claim that this should be translated in Hebrews as "God is thy throne forever and ever..." This is an alternate reading in some Bibles, but it makes no sense to me. But if the verse in the Psalms can ONLY be translated this one way, then that would invalidate the alternate translation. I know that these verses are vocative tenses, with no verb, which can make it a little dicey sometimes translating. And I'm aware that both "throne" and "God" in Hebrews end in the same nominative ending, supposedly making them interchangeable. But again, "God is thy throne," makes no sense. A throne is the place from which one rules, and God isn't a place.
Thanks for any help anyone can give me! Bonnie |
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How best to translate Ps. 45:6? |
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Clearly the Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong again. I don't know if you know about their "Bible" the "New World Translation" or "NWT"? They (the Jehovah's Witnesses) change quite a few verses to suit their false teachings. Like in John 1:1 (In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [NAS]), the NWT changes the text to read something like this; "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a God." ..... That verse the JW's translate into their "Bible" is changed so that it reads like Jesus is not God. (sigh)
Well, it sounds like the verse you quoted sounds like another "mis-translation", and most likely is that way to support their false gospel.
I don't know if this helps any, but I see you are on the right track!
In God's Grace,
Ric
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Uprightness is...scepter of Thy kingdom |
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As an addition to the comment about the Jehovah's Witness bible, it could be noted that it would be a small "g" as in "the Word was a god."
I would think with you also, Bonnie, that God is not a place so "God is thy throne forever" would be a difficult reading. However, if you thought of the throne as an attribute of God, it could be meaningful. I would connect the idea of throne with the attribute of righteousness. God rules in righteousness. Ps. 92:15 says that there is no unrighteousness in Him. Hebrews l:9 speaks of the Son saying that "Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness...and Thou remainest...and Thy years will not come to an end." God's throne is forever and He will always be righteous. More than that, God is our righteousness, and our eternal life is in His Son. I Jn 5:ll
So I don't think that God is a place but He is love, He is light andor Light, He is good, He is a rock andor Rock; our King and Ruler.
Ps. 39:4 Sing praises to the Lord, you His godly ones. Ray V.H. |
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what is praise and worship |
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What is the diffrabce between praise and worship and were can they be found in the word |
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what is praise and worship |
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Psalm 150 chapter. Let everything that have breath praise ye the Lord. Worship the Lord means to talk to him quitely,and extend your hands to Him silently as toward Heaven. |
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thousand tongue is not enough to praise |
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thousand tongue is not enough to paise you Lord |
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thousand tongue is not enough to praise |
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This is a question? |
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what is praise and worship |
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What is the Scriptural basis of your defition of worship? Worship, by what the Greek and Hebrew says, it bowing low before the Almighty in reverence. We may say something or be silent. |
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How best to translate Ps. 45:6? |
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Blessings Bonnie! I agree that rendering Psalms 45:6 as "God is thy throne forever and ever" is a faulty rendering at best, but that is to be expected if you took that from the New World Translation, or the Bible that is predominately used by the Jehova's Witnesses. The New World Translation is dangerous and you should avoid it at ALL COSTS! Any 'trusted' Bible translation renders this verse as, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom." (Psalm 45:6) Every major translation is in agreement here, which proves that if someone where to translate it in any other way, then they would be bringing their 'own presuppositions' and agenda to the fore during the process of translation. Ryrie's Study Bible comments about Psalms 45:6-7, "The king is addressed as God in verse 6 and is distinguished from God in verse 7. Verse 6 was likely a royal hyperbole (extravagant exaggeration) of the king referred to (perhaps Solomon), but ultimately refers to Jesus Christ (Heb. 1:8-9). An eternal throne was promised to the house of David (2 Sam. 7:16), Jesus being the final and eternal occupant of it (Luke 1:32-33)." |
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Uprightness is...scepter of Thy kingdom |
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Good point Ray V.H.! And the Jehovah's Witnesses wouldn't render John 1:1 with capitals, leaving it lowercased in their book, The New World Translation. Every Christian should avoid such a book! |
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What is meaning of Selah for us today? |
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I believe that every word and letter in the Bible is inspired by God. That question is: What would be the meaning of musical terms like Selah, Maschil, etc.? Is there something pertinent for us today in these words or (not to be flippant) is God picky about how the Psalms were sung and maybe should be sung today? |
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What is meaning of Selah for us today? |
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Psalm 3:2 Selah. "Selah may mean: Pause, Crescendo or Musical interlude" (New American Standard Bible, Translators' Note).
"Selah [pause, and calmly think of that]!" (Amplified Bible, Psalm 3:2b)
Psalm 3:2 (NET Bible Translators' Note) "The function of the Hebrew term hls, transliterated here "Selah," is uncertain. It may be a musical direction of some kind." (http://www.bible.org/cgi-bin/netbible.pl)
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What is meaning of Selah for us today? |
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Psalm 32, Title. Maschil. "A skillful song, or a didactic or reflective poem." Amplified Bible
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How does Selah fit into 2 Tim 3:16? |
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Thank you for your response, but it doesn't get at the heart of my question. I have looked these words up in Strong's and know their definition. The question is WHY did God put musical directions into a message He purposed to be read throughout eternity? If I were to follow 2 Tim 3:16, how would I use these musical directions as part of my instruction of the Psalms? How are we to use these directions TODAY? |
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How does Selah fit into 2 Tim 3:16? |
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dmadden
Shelah - "think about that". If we take that direction we will stop in our reading and think about, mediate on the scripture just proceding this point. Many times I have done this and God through his wonderful Holy Spirit has opened in my mind the realities of what I had just read. They became more alive or expressive to me.
Shelah!
Be blessed
Ed |
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WHAT WAS HIS EXPERIENCE AT THAT TIME |
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WHAT HAD DAVID GONE THROUGH WHEN HE WROTE THIS |
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WHAT WAS HIS STATE OF MIND |
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WHAT THE 23RD NUMBER WAS WRITTEN WHAT HAD DAVID GONE THROUGH? WHAT WAS HIS REASON FOR WRITTING IT? |
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WHAT WAS HIS EXPERIENCE AT THAT TIME |
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Greetings MDOUGLASB!
Which experience (or Psalm) of David are you referring to?
Blessings,
Nolan |
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WHAT WAS HIS STATE OF MIND |
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Psalm 23
"This psalm is probably the best known passage of the OT. It is a testimony by David to the Lord's faithfulness throughout his life. As a hymn of confidence, it pictures the Lord as a disciple's Shepherd-King-Host. David, by using some common ancient Near Eastern images in Psalm 23, progressively unveils his personal relationship with the Lord in 3 stages.
I. David's Exclamation: "The Lord is My Shepherd" (23:1a)
II. David's Expectations (23:1b-5b)
A. "I Shall Not Want" (23:1b-3)
B. "I Will Fear No Evil" (23:4,5b)
III. David's Exultation: "My Cup Runs Over" (23:5c-6)"
(MacArthur Study Bible)
The Believer's Study Bible states, "Psalm 23:
23:1 This psalm is one of the most beloved passages of the Bible, one of the crown jewels of Scripture. Although it is customarily thought of as the “Shepherd Psalm,” and rightly so, this psalm of David actually encompasses three distinct scenes: (1) the shepherd scene (vv. 1-4), (2) the host or banquet scene (v. 5), and (3) the home or heavenly scene (v. 6). The shepherd motif is used here and elsewhere in the O.T. (cf. Isa 40:11; Ezek 34:11) to characterize God, and it is also a marvelous foreshadowing of the "Good Shepherd," who loves the flock (v. 1; cf. John 10:11-15), feeds the flock (v. 2; cf. John 10:9; 21:15-17; Acts 20:28), tends and cares for the flock ("restores my soul," v.3; cf. Isa 40:11; John 21:15-17; 1 Pet 5:1-4), protects the flock ("rod," v. 4; cf. John 10:11-15; Acts 20:29-32), and seeks the lost and straying sheep ("staff," v. 4; cf. Luke 15:3-7). The sense of the second line might be paraphrased, "What more could I want?"
23:2 "Still waters" denotes the calm water necessary for sheep to drink.
23:4 The "rod" (a short club used to fight off wild animals) represents protection; the "staff" (a long shepherd’s stick with a crook) depicts guidance.
23:5-6 Though many expositors combine these verses, there is definitely a change in David’s thought pattern. Verse 5 pictures a guest at a banquet, even with enemies present. This symbolizes God’s protective care over His children in the midst of a wicked and antagonistic world (cf. Phil 2:15). Verse 6 is finally the heavenly scene; no enemies are present here to oppose God’s children."
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WHAT WAS HIS STATE OF MIND |
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There is a very interesting book written by Phillip Keller called, "A Shepherd Looks at Psalm 23" published by Inspiration Press. It gives you a feeling of Psalm 23 from both the sheep and their shepherd's point of view, written by a man that studied both for years. The aspects of a shepherd's life combined with natural actions of sheep the author brings up makes Psalm 23 explode before your eyes. I would recommend reading this book by anyone that had an interest in understanding David and Psalm 23 better. One point I hold onto to is where the author was discussing verse 4 "Yea though I walk through the valley...", the author said, "a good shepard will never take his flock where he had not already been before. The good shepherd goes on ahead to insure safe passage of his sheep." What a wonderful truth!
Be blessed and be a blessing
Ed |
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Psalm 92:13-14,advise to give friends? |
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In psalm 92:13-14, God said you must be planted in His church. I know friends who felt offended by something our senior pastor said now they want to leave our church. I want them there,what should I tell them? |
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Greetings JC Freak!
Well, we shouldn't just leave a church on a whim.. Please tell me, what is the issue that is making your friends leave your church?
Nolan |
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Nolan is correct. The reason to leave a chircg must be carefully thought out.
If the pastor was used by the Holy Spirit to convict, leaving is not wise.
If the pastor preached hersey or violates the law, he needs to go, in accordance with the church's consitution. If the people who decide to refuse to vote him out, or he refuses to leave ... then it is time to leave.
He could say something that he is not permitted, because he is a counsellor in some states.
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Thanks Steve. Yeah the issue is that apparently our pastor was talking about worshiping God,Being in a Charismatic Pentacostal church,when you worship it must come from your heart, and showing your emotions towards God. He also said that churches who just stand there and dont really worship with all they have are dead and wrong. I wasnt at the service and hope I can get hold of the type to listen to,but they thought he was harsh in saying that. One must also remember that you must be planted in a church and serve the Lord in that church serving your youth and senior pastor and their vision,not just come to church and expecting something without giving back.
God Bless
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J.C Freak, worship is misdefined by 99.99 percent of the churches. In fact, our English definition is not correct.
I have studied worship in-depth for six months and a little less for the past three, so I think I know what I am talking about.
Saying that other evangelitical churches are wrong should not be done. I would go ask the pastor why he cannot accept the minor differences. Satan wants us divided, because Jesus prayed for unity (Jhn 17:17).
As far as leaving, I would be uncomfortable if any pastor would say something like that. So I would challenge him, pray before-during-after the talk. Then, decide.
Steve
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whay does selah mean /why only psalms |
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what does the word "selah" found in the book of psalm mean ? is the word still used today? and why only in psalm's? thank's for any help!!!! |
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whay does selah mean /why only psalms |
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Psalm 3:2 Selah. "Selah may mean: Pause, Crescendo or Musical interlude" (New American Standard Bible, Translators' Note).
"Selah [pause, and calmly think of that]!" (Amplified Bible, Psalm 3:2b)
Psalm 3:2 (NET Bible Translators' Note) "The function of the Hebrew term hls, transliterated here "Selah," is uncertain. It may be a musical direction of some kind." (http://www.bible.org/cgi-bin/netbible.pl)
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destruction |
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When you want protection from destrucion? |
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destruction |
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Dear Peches,
I'm sorry, but I don't understand your question. Are you looking for specific Bible verses to encourage you in times of fear? Please clarify. |
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How does Selah fit into 2 Tim 3:16? |
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I think that is a terrific question Dmadden, I completely agree with you that God wouldn't go to the trouble to have things in the Bible to be read for eternity unless there was a good purpose for them. I wonder if in this case it was God's way of tipping us off to the fact that it was a song at all. Without words like "Selah", we might think that the Psalms were just poems, or even just regular prose. I think that it is an important distinction. In my experience, music has a way of connecting with the human spirit in a way unlike anything else. This can be dangerous if the music is unholy. But if used the way that God intended, it can also enable us to worship God at a deeper level. |
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