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I looked this up in my Bible dictionary, I don't think it will help you much, but give it a read. .................. LAMECH (Heb. lemekh, meaning undetermined). 1. A son of Methushael (Gen 4:18-24) and a descendant of Cain, who had two wives, Adah and Zillah. His sons founded the nomadic life and the musical arts, and invented metalcrafts and instruments of war. Lamech's song (4:23-24) expresses every feature of Hebrew poetry (alliteration, parallelism, poetic diction, etc.). 2. The son of Methuselah (5:28-31). This man, a descendant of Seth, became the father of Noah. His faith is attested by the name he gave his son, Noah (meaning "rest"), and by the hope of "comfort" (5:29) that he anticipated in his son's life. ................... I'm just a layperson without much Bible study (just Bible study at home and at church), but I'll keep trying to answer posts here - it help's me understand God's Word better too! |
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Why did God put us on earth with satin? |
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Genesis
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This is more of a combination of a note and question that may or may not directly belong here. Quick bio of Lucifer (Satan) for those that don't know: Satan was one of the angels in heaven (and in charge of worship and music (this is a different topic for another time)) before he was struck down by God to earth for his attempts to usurp the praise that God so richly deserved (and deserves). Satan was able to bring down a third of the angels with him, convincing them to praise him and not God. Knowing this, Satan desires to have himself exaulted, and therefore hates anything that loves God.
God made man to have dominion over the earth (Gen 1:26) and it is known that God also created man to praise Him (I'm not sure where this is....please, someone remind me?). Satan would much rather us be destroyed (remember, we were created in God's image (Gen 1:27), and Satan hates God) than to praise the Lord, and the way to destroy us is to separate us from God's love and grace through sin and evil. Know that as long as we are for God and follow His word, then He (and we) will prevail. It won't be easy, and our trials are designed to test our faith (1 Peter 1:7), but He has promised that we will prevail. |
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Where is "accept Christ" in the Bible? |
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Acts 24:3
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Good question. Clearly my search in the King James Version New Testament showed only ONE occurence of the word "accept" in the entire N.T.
. . . Ac 24:3 (KJV) We accept it always, and in all places, most noble Felix, with all thankfulness.
. . . Bear in mind that much pop theology is derived from "Christian" music and Christmas cards. Where is it found in the Bible? Well, people don't like to be conufused with all that doctrinal "stuff."
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So when did "evil" start? |
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Am I correct in knowing that the good vs. evil battle started when Lucifer craved the attention and adulation that was justly God's? God did create Lucifer to be His minister of music, but Lucifer's jealously caused him to be struck down and take a third of the angels with him. Does his opposition to God mark the "beginnings" of good vs. evil? |
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...by His grace, right? |
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2 Peter
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...by His grace, right? jg8ball, I couldn't help adding this to the end of your note. It IS true, even if it is not Election with a capital 'E' (...which rhymes with 'P' which means 'Pool!' Sorry, we were watching "The Music Man" the other day :-) In any case, I fully expect to see jg8ball and JVH0212 together as brethren someday in His glorious eternity. That's my point. I cannot discard wholesale either opinion or bent, and I cannot endorse in the Lord any capital 'X' doctrine. How then should we live? Excommunicating one another is an option, but I don't think it is Godly. Discussion, prayer, humility, repentance toward God, and fellowship of the saints is the option I choose. With love in Christ Jesus. |
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A pastor who is there? |
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OK let me speak on this :-) Personally, I'm not very fond of big churches for a couple of reasons. First, and foremost, as has been mentioned, I really like a one-on-one relationship with the pastor. What good is it to go to a church, yet the head of the church doesn't know who you are in some respect? It's like having an arm that you don't know how to use. The fondness of a relationship with the pastor goes out the window, and it becomes more of a "business" than a church. Secondly, just because it's a big church, doesn't necessarily mean that it's big on Christ. Many churches are blessed with having flourishing numbers, true, and those numbers can be involved in a multitude of ministries, but if the direction is not correct, then what's it all for? (The same can and has been said for smaller churches as well)
At first, before I was committed to being a musician for the Lord and was more interested in "playing" in a church as opposed to ministering, I thought it would be cool to play for a bigger church. Big church means more people notice you. I've been corrected in the error of my ways, and my feeling is that even playing for a church now (pay or no pay....that's a separate issue), I've come to be blessed, to study and learn in the word, and that hopefully the Lord will use me to bring someone closer to Him.
Ok I'm done ranting :-) Seriously, tho, if you don't KNOW your pastor, then what difference is it going to a building on Sunday than going to work Monday-Friday? (I might get some touchy emails on that one, hehe). The point is, and I'm not stating anything world beating (actually, I am....hehe), and everyone's tastes are suited differently, but everyone should be regularly attending a church (including myself) that is deep rooted in the Word.
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Is this dancing for joy? |
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Ps 149:1
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PS 149:1 Praise the LORD.
Sing to the LORD a new song,
his praise in the assembly of the saints.
PS 149:2 Let Israel rejoice in their Maker;
let the people of Zion be glad in their King.
PS 149:3 Let them praise his name with dancing
and make music to him with tambourine and harp.
PS 149:4 For the LORD takes delight in his people;
he crowns the humble with salvation.
PS 149:5 Let the saints rejoice in this honor
and sing for joy on their beds. (NIV)
Yes, this is dancing for joy!
This was stated in the NIV Bible Commentary:
The resultant expression on the part of the godly can only be joy. They are portrayed as "dancing." The people of God regularly celebrated the Lord's victory and blessing in dance (cf. Ex 15:20; Jdg 11:34). Also at home "on their beds," they rejoice in the glory bestowed on them by the Lord. |
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How can we assist our youth? |
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Dear Brent, I am mother of three (23,22, and 14) and a grandmother of two. Having been in the military and a traveling nurse we have been to many churchs. I hope I will be able to give some suggestion that will be helpful.
First - I believe that the most important thing is to pray for youth leaders who will meet the teens at their level and be accepting of them the way they are - no matter how they dress, how much jewelry they wear, what color their hair is or whether it is neatly combed or standing up in spikes. Jesus never cared how someone looked and neither should we. Youth today are seeking love and acceptance. Many don't get either of these at home unfortunitly. The need of these things often is what leads them to gangs and drugs. The church has to be able to meet those needs. Youth leaders have to be able to sincerly care for them and love them. No one can recognize a false front as fast as a teen. They also have to know that they CAN TRUST the leader. That no matter what problem they have they can go to the leader and talk about anything and it will be kept in strict confidence. Usually kids go to friends for advice because they have no one they can trust - wouldn't it be much better if they had someone they could trust that would give them Godly advice?
2nd - You have to make the teens feel a part of the church. They need to be needed. Let them do nursery duty (we always have one teen and one adult), let them usher - (I have seen some 8 and 9 year olds usher better than adults), let them help teach the little ones, let them read the scripture sometimes or say the prayers. Every 5th Sunday of the month we have Youth Sunday. The youth plan the service (with an adult to oversee), pick the speaker, do the praise and worship and run the service. You will be amazed at what they are capable of.
3rd - You have to make church and bible study interesting to them. They have to be able to relate to the sermon or teaching. Nothing can turn my kids off of a church faster than not being able to understand or relate to what is being said.
4th - You have to give them music they enjoy, that will keep them coming back. I like some of the old hymns but very, very few youth do. They want to hear rock or rap or gospel. I used to hate rock but I have learned to enyoy it - still don't like alternative though. :o).
5th - You said you wanted to get ideas for church, bible study and youth activites. The best thing is to ASK THEM. They know what they like, what they enjoy. Let them plan their activites. Let them do the fund raisers. Teach them to be responsible. Then support them in whatever they decide whether it be a concert (just take some earplugs and go), skating, a street dance, a lock-in (a big slumber party at the church), or a camping trip. There are many 2-3 day long music festivals during the summer such as Creation or Sunshine. Pick the closest one and suggest a short trip. One thing our church did was to have youth "vs" adult forums where youth could voice their concerns and there not be any repurcussions afterward. The parents never heard what was said. Also do it vice versa where the parents can voice their concerns and the youth have to respond to those concerns.
You also mentioned young adults. They need the same things plus more, especially single parents.
One of the main problems I experienced as a single parent is that my sons had no one they could go to for fatherly advice and guidance. No role model. This is a very big problem of today. I think that for every one parent family where the father has no involvement or negative involvement the church should step in and fill this very important role. If it is a single mom then some man from the church needs to step in and spend time with the children. If it is a single father then a woman needs to step in and spend time with the children. Something similar to the big brother/big sister idea. There must be consistance though. There are lots of other needs for a single parent but that is another issue.
I don't remember who said it but they said the youth of today WILL be our leaders of tomorrow. Teach them to care, to listen, to be responsible. Many unfortunetly don't get these lessons at home anymore. I hope this has helped you because our youth are the most important thing in the church. |
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Without the Spirit? |
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Acts 2:38
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Dear inhzsvc, without gasoline, a Ferrari is red and beautiful, and expensive, but inanimate. Also a Ferrari without the growl, the roar, and assorted engine music is only eye-candy :-) In any case, I cannot experience anything but the sights and sounds of the one, but I can experience the animate power of the other.
Though I agree with you in the semantic sense, the church was almost totally impotent until His Spirit indwelled them. That I why I said they were 'created' on the Day of Pentecost. I was under the impression that this was a commonly held view. If I am mistaken, I stand corrected.
Friend, I apologize for my assumption regarding baptism. The flow of the conversation up to that point was getting a bit heated on that issue.
Truly, I do consider this forum to be fellowship (koinonia), and the many different opinions expressed by yourself and all the saints do nothing to change that in my mind and heart. Indeed, you and I agree on very much more than we disagree.
Blessings and peace to you in Jesus' name, charis |
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How can we assist our youth? |
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Awesome! Thanx for all of your input. It is true that young adults feel that there's nobody that they can relate to, nor trust. I can honestly tell you that one church I was a part of had a service which was supposably designed for the youth, but the pastor spoke in a way that only people who had been through before were able to understand. It was like he was trying to explain the 4th theory of quantum physics, and the end result was that some (if not all) of the youth were saying, "Huh?", and when you lose your audience, you've lost the impact of your message.
Also, the point about music is a very good one. being a musician myself, I can appreciate the way music affects people, and I can truly say that the wrong music at the wrong time does the exact same thing as earlier stated. Since I'm also part of a bilingual ministry within the music, I understand needing to relate the music with the audience. Even if some of our songs sound slammin', there are some songs that we cannot do at specific churches, because 1)they would not be received well by the "traditional" folx, and 2)God has blessed us with being able to touch so many hearts in many different forms that we need to (and do) take advantage of every opportunity. I mean, wow, the effect of music on people's souls (NO MATTER WHAT IT MAY BE, AS LONG AS IT PRAISES GOD) is incredible.
Getting back, another way we can support our youth is to support them outside of the church. Tutors, mentors, even people to play video games with (you would be AMAZED at how playing basketball on Dreamcast brings people closer together, hehe), you name it; the point is to get more involved.
I have been blessed with everyone's feedback on this!
Thanx!
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What do you think of new Holman Bible? |
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Agreed. KJV for four centuries has been, and continues to be, a beautiful work. Its words have music in them. Hailed by John Livingston Lowes "the noblest monument of English prose" it has long been regarded a paradigm of English usage. When I hear someone decry the old KJV I cannot help but think they are allowing their ignorance to ooze out. But, on balance, the English language of our time is considerably different from the Jacobean language of 1611. While no translation of the Bible since the King James translators set pen to paper in 1611 quite reaches the lofty linguistic heights they reached, we must in our efforts to seek the truth of God's beloved Word, look first for clarity of meaning at the expense of, if it must be, literary excellence. I cannot resist adding in defense of the Authorized Version, that for all its archaic vocabulary and turns of phrase, is far and away to be preferred over some of the modern renditions that masquerade as Holy Writ. |
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Mary Magdeline, facts on lifestyle |
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Luke 8:2
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Luke 8:2 NASB "and also some women who had been healed of evil spirits and sicknesses: Mary who was called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out."
I don't know where people, including writers of Easter programs and musicals, get the idea that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. Wherever they got it, it sure wasn't from the Bible, which gives no indication that Mary M. had ever been a prostitute. All the Bible does tell us of her background is that she is the one "from whom seven demons had gone out."
"8:2. *Mary who was called Magdalene.* Her hometown was Magdala. She is not to be confused with the sinful woman of Luke 7 or Mary of Bethany (John 11:1)" (Zondervan NASB Study Bible, Zondervan, 1999).
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Calling on the Lord is a heart issue. |
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Acts 2:47
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Your note, Cherub21, was beautiful and inspiring; it speaks to the heart. It served me well as a springboard for my morning devotional and meditation. We do speak with diverse tongues but the music is the same, isn't it? -- the music of love for our Beautiful Savior. A paraphrase of that magnificent verse from the Love Chapter, 1 Cor. 13: If we speak in the tongues of men and of angels but have not [the music of] love, we are nothing. In your ministry of music you must have sung that lovely hymn of Charles Wesley, "O for a thousand tongues to sing/My dear Redeemer's praise,/The glories of my God and King,/The triumphs of His grace! Thank you for your contribution and may the Lord richly bless you and your husband in your ministries. --Hank |
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Where is "accept Christ" in the Bible? |
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Acts 24:3
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I agree with every word of your answer. The only thing is: it does not answer the original question as stated.
My answer: Clearly my search in the King James Version New Testament showed only ONE occurence of the word "accept" in the entire N.T.
Ac 24:3 (KJV) We accept it always, and in all places, most noble Felix, with all thankfulness.
Bear in mind that much pop theology is derived from "Christian" music and Christmas cards rather than the Bible.
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Communion, how often? |
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1 Cor 11:25
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Charis, since Jesus said only "as often as you do this" it should be in remembrance of Him, one would be hard pressed, it seems to me, to attach any mandatory time schedule to the sacred ordinance. There are those communions who observe the Lord's Supper weekly or even more frequently. There are others who observe it less frequently, perhaps monthly or quarterly. In the church I attend, it is the view that too frequent an observance runs the risk of causing it to become merely a routine observance, mechanical and diluted in meaning. When we observe the Lord's Supper, the entire service -- the music, the pastor's message, everything -- is dedicated to this one ordinance of our Lord. It is beautiful and truly meaningful. --Hank |
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Difference Between Worship and Praise |
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Difference Between Worship and Praise
Praise is a celebration, can be many activities and continual. Worship is getting prostrate before our God and is a specific activity and is for a moment of time, though in Nehemiah 9:3, it lasted three hours. The only other activity in worship is saying something, as seen in Rev. 4:10-11, 7:10-11, 11:16-17, 19:4.
Some the words for praise are:
- Halal (to shine, to praise, boast, be boastful) is used 140 times, but only eight times in context with worship
- T@hillah (praise, song or hymn of praise) is used in 1 Chronicles 16:35; Nehemiah 9:5; Psalm 22:3, 66:2, 8., in context of worship, of the 57 times it appears in the Bible. The root is halah.
- Yadah (to throw, shoot, cast) has the idea of thanks, is used in 2 Chronicles 7:3, 6a; Psalm 99:3, in context of wor-ship. It is used 109 times outside the worship context. Its root is yad (hand).
- Zamar (to sing, sing praise, make music) is used twice in context of worship (1 Chr. 16:9; Psa. 66:4), of the 41 times it appears in the Old Testament.
There are several Greek words, too. But, only two are associated with worship.
- Aineo (to praise, extol, to sing praises in honor to God or to allow, recommend or to promise or vow) is used once, of the nine times in context of worship (Rev. 19:5). The root word is ainos (praise, laudatory discourse) and it not used in context of worship.
- Hallelujah (praise ye the Lord) is used in Revelation 19:1, 3, 4, 6. It comes from halal and Yahh. The latter is contraction for Yahweh.
We better not confuse or fuse these differences or diffuse worship.
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How much should we give? |
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This issue has been discussed in every form ever since Paul said we are no longer under the law.
Let’s face facts you don’t get something for nothing. If we want to sit in a nice building and have heating, cooling and lights take takes money. If we want good music, a good children’s education program, youth activities, and other church programs that takes money. If we want to have a Pastor that is able to drop everything to rush to our side at the hospital, accident site, or death bed that takes money. If we want someone to teach us, counsel us, baptize us, marry us and bury us that takes money. A wise man once told me always “pay” for your seat.
We expect to pay and do pay for our seats when we attend ball games, operas, stage shows, movies, seminars, colleges and airline travels why are we so reluctant to pay for our churches, church programs and Pastors? Some say a tithe is like a tax and so it is. If we didn't pay taxes we wouldn't have schools, roads, fire and rescue. If we don't pay our tithe how can we expect to have our churches?
In Malachi 3:8-11 God issues us a challenge He said test me in this, see if I don’t reward you in your giving. I never understood why so many seem to be afraid to try this. If you give and God doesn’t keep His word you can quit, but when God does fulfill this promise you may want to step up your giving.
God does not care how much you give; God cares how much you keep for yourself. It shows where your heart is. John the Baptist gave us a clue of what God expects in the New Testament Saints when he said, if your brother has need of a coat and you have two give him one.” Luke 3:11
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I need answers to several questions . |
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My neice asked me several questions and I was wanting to give her scripture to back up the answers I would give to her. 1. Women being silent in the church. She knows in the scripture that the women were asked to be silent because they were causing trouble, but what about now?
2. Does God still speak to us like He did in the Bible times? He hasn't changed but I need scripture to help me.
3. Musical instruments in the church
4. What about communion? Just on Sundays, any day of the week at any time and every Sunday.
I realize this is a lot but I would love to give her God's word and not just what I know from God's word.
Thank-You a Bunch! four Him, CJS |
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I need answers to several questions . |
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My neice asked me several questions and I was wanting to give her scripture to back up the answers I would give to her. 1. Women being silent in the church. She knows in the scripture that the women were asked to be silent because they were causing trouble, but what about now?
2. Does God still speak to us like He did in the Bible times? He hasn't changed but I need scripture to help me.
3. Musical instruments in the church
4. What about communion? Just on Sundays, any day of the week at any time and every Sunday.
I realize this is a lot but I would love to give her God's word and not just what I know from God's word.
Thank-You a Bunch! four Him, CJS |
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I need answers to several questions . |
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1. There's no reason to change. Men are to have the leadership (1 Tim 2:11-12).
2. God used a variety of ways to share His word (Heb 1:1). With the completion of the canon of Scripture, there's no need for God to continue in the same way.
3. Scripture doesn't say.
4. We do it every Sunday as the custom in Acts 20:7. |
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Should music be allowed in church? |
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My daughter recently invited a friend to visit her youth group. The girl's father wouldn't allow her to come because we play music and he said that they live by the new testiment and music (even Christian) should not be allowed in the church. Can anyone explain or disprove? |
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Should music be allowed in church? |
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Rev 14:2
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My daughter recently invited a friend to visit her youth group. The girl's father wouldn't allow her to come because we play music and he said that they live by the new testiment and music (even Christian) should not be allowed in the church. Can anyone explain or disprove? |
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Should music be allowed in church? |
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Rev 14:2
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There are several approaches to this question. First, I would point to the fact that the Church is not the building, but he body of Christ. The building is not more sacred than your home or office or the corn field, except for the dedication of it's use to corporate worship.
Second, music is commanded in Colosians 3 ("singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord"). Some parts of the NT have even been identified as hymns by scholars. This would be strange to have singing commanded of Christians, but not when the Church is gathered together.
Thirdly, Instruments, such as harps, are played in heaven (Rev 14:2, so what possible opposition could there be to using them on earth? |
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My daughter recently invited a friend to visit her youth group. The girl's father wouldn't allow her to come because we play music and he said that they live by the new testiment and music (even Christian) should not be allowed in the church. Can anyone explain or disprove? |
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Should music be allowed in church? |
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I wish I knew where the father has gotten an idea like that! Biblical references to music are numerous because of the essential role it played in all aspects of the life of the people of the bible. Since he said he is a New Testament Christian I will start in the New Testament. Music was important in the worship of the early church. In the earliest Christian communities music was not set within regular and repeated patterns of worship but was allowed some spontaneity. Eph. 5:19 says that "as you sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs singing among yourselves, singing and making melody to the Lord in your hearts". James 5:13 asks if any are cheerful, then they should sing songs of praise. 1Cor 14:26 says that when you come together and someone has a hymn let it be done for the building up. Col 3:16 says "let the word of Christ dwell in you richly....and with gratitude in your hearts sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs to God. Both of these scriptures have to do with worshipping God and one of the places we are to do that is in church! Rev 4:10 talks about the 24 elders who fall on the floor and casting their crowns on the fllor before God sing! "Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven".
Exodus 15 talks or singing to the Lord. In Psalms alone sing and singing is mentioned 70 times!! Psalm 47:6 tells us to "sing praises to God, sing praises; sing praises to out King, sing praises! Psalm 81:1-2 tell us to "Sing aloud to God our strength...Raise a song, sound the tamborine, the sweet lyre with the harp." There are many more scriptures too numerous to mention. If this isn't enough go to the Strongs Concordance and look under sing. prayon |
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Should music be allowed in church? |
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I'll leave the disproving to others, but I think that I can explain a bit. First, it depends on whether he is reacting to music as a whole, or just the music in youth group. If it is the latter, I would not only understand but wholeheartedly agree. I am coming to believe that "contemporary worship" does not count as worship. Look at the majesterial forms of worship set up in the Old Testament, and see how Hebrews says that we have come to something even more impressive. Then think about the kinds of music commonly played in youth groups. Doesn't exactly fit. Music is to contribute to a proper attitude, an attitude of awe, reverence, fear, and joy. Worship is entering into the very throne room of the risen Christ, and should reflect the gravity of the situation. Most music used in worship simply does not do this. If the gentlemen in question is thinking along these lines, his position is fairly understandable.
However, if he holds that music of any kind is not permissible in worship, I am at somewhat of a loss to provide an explanation. It seems that music has always been used by the people of God in worship from the very earliest. My guess is that he is overreacting to the sentimental tripe that passes for "worship" nowadays. |
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Should music be allowed in church? |
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This is Grace, I asked the original question. The father rejects ALL music in church. He attends a Church Of God and they allow NO music inside the church. They say it is against the new testiment which they live by. Thus my question...what are they basing this on? As far as the music our church and the youth group plays...we use mostly Vineyard, Passion, praise and worship type music. |
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Should music be allowed in church? |
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This is Grace, I asked the original question. The father rejects ALL music in church. He attends a Church Of God and they allow NO music inside the church. They say it is against the new testiment which they live by. Thus my question...what are they basing this on? As far as the music our church and the youth group plays...we use mostly Vineyard, Passion, praise and worship type music. |
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Should music be allowed in church? |
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Well, if he is denying the use of all music in worship, then I really don't know where he's getting that. Paul indicates the use of songs in worship. I'm afraid I can't help here. |
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