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Explain million year old dinosaurs. |
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Job
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How can we reconsile the age of the earth as indicated in the Bible with the evidence for the existence of dinosaurs and cavemen? I know the Book of Job makes reference to what could be dinosaurs but are there any others? |
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Explain million year old dinosaurs. |
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Job
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The answer here is fairly simple. They are really not 1 million years old and the earth is not much more than 6,000-10,000 years old either. Now you say, "Prove it". This requires a lot of study. Fortunately a lot of very smart scientists have done it and continue to do so. I recommend you visit the Website of the Institute for Creation Research found at www.icr.org |
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Explain million year old dinosaurs. |
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Job
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Another good link is www.answersingenesis.org
Click on the Q [and] A link and you find many questions answered including the one about dinosaurs.
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Explain million year old dinosaurs. |
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Job
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the bible never says what the "real" age of the earth is .
Its possible that the time from creation of the earth and stars to the creation of man could have been billions of years.
It does say that plants and animals were created before man. I really belive the behemoth that the book of Job was refering to was in all probability a hippotamus. If T-Rex was running around 4000 years ago I think the Egyptians or Hebrews would have made more than a passing referance to it. |
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Explain million year old dinosaurs. |
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Job
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I would suggest you read Marcus Borg's book, "Reading the Bible Again for the First Time" which is subtitled "Taking the Bible Seriously but not Literally." The creation stories in Genesis should be interpreted metaphorically for the moral lessons they teach and to help us love God and live according to His will. There is no contradiction or incompatibility between the Biblical accounts and modern scientific thought. If you want to explore this more fully, check out the works of Arthur Peacocke and John Polkinghorne, both of whom are scientists and ordained Anglican priests who have written extensively on thsi subject.
Elliot |
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Length of Job's Suffering |
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Job
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How Long Did Job suffer all the persecution allowed by God (weeks, years?) |
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Length of Job's Suffering |
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Job
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Hello debbie5!
According to Job 2:13, "Then they sat down on the ground with him for seven days and seven nights with no one speaking a word to him, for they saw that his pain was very great."
And according to Job 42:16, he lived 140 years after his suffering..
This is the only information that we have as far as the length of time that took place during Job's suffering.
--Nolan |
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The Book of Job and Theological Debates |
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Job
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Job 42:7 ¶ And it came about after the Lord had spoken these words to Job, that the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "My wrath is kindled against you and against your two friends, because you have not spoken of Me what is right as My servant Job has. .......... The Book of Job and Theological Debates. Our opinions are not insignificant to God and theological debates are not wrong. God listens to our opinions and judges them.
Job and his friends debated the theological explanation for Job’s horrendous suffering. Some people get very hostile with others who debate theology. They believe strongly that it shouldn’t be done. This is not so with God. His wrath was not directed at Job and his friends for arguing, but at Job’s friends for not saying what was right about God.
Peace, Lionstrong, a.k.a. LooseCannon
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The Book of Job and Theological Debates |
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Job
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That was pretty interesting Lionstrong!
I also noticed that too, that when spoken in truth, we can glorify God just as well!
Blessings to you,
Nolan |
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Why is there suffering? |
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Job
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Why is there suffering?
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Why is there suffering? |
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Job
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Job 42:5 |
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Why is there suffering? |
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Job
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Maybe because it is part of the curse for Adam's disobedience. Also trials and suffering make us stronger. |
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Why is there suffering? |
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Job
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Because of the fall. God created a perfect world that became a broken one through the original sin.
Remembering how much simpler and how much closer to perfection Adam and Eve were, look at how the suffering increased in there lives and how the world changed in Genesis 3:16-19. The further we get from perfection, the more sin there is in the world, the more suffering there is.
This will cumulate with the events of Revelation. Nasty indeed! But all will be set right afterwards, when we are finally with Jesus.
Bless...ArtS |
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What is suffering's origin and cause? |
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Job
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What is suffering's origin and cause? |
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Why did Job suffer? |
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Why has suffering happened to this person?
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Is there innocent suffering? |
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Is there such a thing as innocent suffering? |
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In what way was Job supposed to suffer? |
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In what way was Job supposed to suffer? |
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Explain million year old dinosaurs. |
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Job
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If it was millions of years, please then explain how death did not enter the world until Adam sinned (RO 5:12) yet animals would have had to die in those millions of years.
And heve you actually read about behemouth? Tail like a cedar, bones of bronze and iron, not even the raging Jordan can move him, no one can capture him, his nose cannot be pierced by a barb, you cant spear him, capture him for trade, he is so fierce no one dare rouse him, has an outer armor, fierce teeth, has scales that cannot be seperated, fire from his mouth, smoke from his nose, When he raises himself up the mighty fear, sword nor spear can beat him, iron is like straw to him, bronze as rotten wood, the sea like a jar of ointment, he makes an enormous wake in water as he walks, etc. A hippo??? hehe
Bless...ArtS |
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What is suffering's origin and cause? |
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Hi Samatha
Since you referred to Job I think you know the answer. I prefer the word testing to suffering. The source of testing is Satan with permission from God. As seen in the first two chapters of Job.
EdB |
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Why did Job suffer? |
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Since again you refer to Job you must know the answer. To prove Job loved God not because of what God had given him, but because He was God and deserved to be loved and adored.
EdB |
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Is there innocent suffering? |
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Again in referring to Job we see the answer is yes there is innocent suffering. At least 5 times in the first 2 chapters of Job, Job is reported to be blamless and without sin. I would say he was innocent.
Again I prefer the word testing to suffering, and we all know born again believers that are tested even though their sin is forgiven and forgotten.
EdB |
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In what way was Job supposed to suffer? |
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Again we can see Job suffered many ways, first he lost all that he owned and held dear. Then he suffered phsyically with boils. I think his real hurt was accusations of friends and family (wife). Probably his worst misery was his effort to try to justify himself before God, which failed miserably.
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In what way was Job supposed to suffer? |
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Samantha
I stole this answer from another source.
But, before I give you my answer, I am curious as to why you have posted five different questions related to suffering. What has prompted your questions?
The Book of Job, named after its protagonist, is an exquisite dramatic poem which treats of the problem of the suffering of the innocent, and of retribution. The contents of the book, together with its artistic structure and elegant style, place it among the literary masterpieces of all time.
Job, an oriental chieftain, pious and upright, richly endowed in his own person and in domestic prosperity, suffers a sudden and complete reversal of fortune. He loses his property and his children; a loathsome disease afflicts his body; and sorrow oppresses his soul.
Nevertheless, Job does not complain against God. When some friends visit him to condole with him, Job protests his innocence and does not understand why he is afflicted. He curses the day of his birth and longs for death to bring an end to his sufferings. The debate which ensues consists of three cycles of speeches.
Job's friends insist that his plight can only be a punishment for personal wrongdoing and an invitation from God to repentance. Job rejects their inadequate explanation and calls for a response from God himself. At this point the speeches of a youth named Elihu (Job 32-37) interrupt the development.
In response to Job's plea that he be allowed to see God and hear from him the cause of his suffering, God answers, not by justifying his action before men, but by referring to his own omniscience and almighty power. Job is content with this. He recovers his attitude of humility and trust in God, which is deepened now and strengthened by his experience of suffering.
The lesson is that even the just may suffer here, and their sufferings are a test of their fidelity.
They shall be rewarded in the end. Man's finite mind cannot probe the depths of the divine omniscience that governs the world.
The problems we encounter can be solved by a broader and deeper awareness of God's power, presence (Job 42:5) and wisdom.
Brian
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Explain million year old dinosaurs. |
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Job
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Isn't it amazing what people will believe in order not to see the truth? :) |
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Explain million year old dinosaurs. |
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And, Norrie, it's also amazing the enormous amount of faith that both evolution and atheism demand. I, as a Christian and a believer in the truth of God's word, am called upon to have faith and do have faith -- all I need to believe God and His word. But I don't have enough faith to believe in evolution or the non-existence of a Supreme Being. --Hank |
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Who was Elihu? |
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My question is, who was Elihu?
I recently got into a discussion with someone who claimed Elihu was actually the Holy Spirit speaking to Job. When I expressed my disagreement with this take on Elihu (I believe he was as much in error in his rebuke of Job as Job's other "friends"), it was pointed out that God didn't rebuke Elihu in chapter 42 as he did the others. I did a little study on Elihu and was facinated to find commentaries that ranged from claiming Elihu to be the Holy Spirit, Satan, and just another of Job's so-called friends. So what do y'all think? Who was this guy Elihu? |
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Who was Elihu? |
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Easton Bible Dictionary Entry:
Elihu
whose God is he. (1.) "The son of Barachel, a
Buzite" (Job 32:2), one of Job's friends. When
the debate between Job and his friends is
brought to a close, Elihu for the first time makes
his appearance, and delivers his opinion on the
points at issue (Job 32:1-22).
(2.) The son of Tohu, and grandfather of Elkanah
(1Sa 1:1). He is called also Eliel (1Ch 6:34) and
Eliab (1Ch 6:27).
(3.) One of the captains of thousands of
Manasseh who joined David at Ziklag (1Ch
12:20).
(4.) One of the family of Obed-edom, who were
appointed porters of the temple under David
(1Ch 26:7).
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Who was Elihu? |
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Hi, Saved;
I'm inclined to accept his identity as the bible presents it: a young man of the clan of Ram whose father was Barakel the Buzite. Given some idea of his age and ancestry, I think he's just an ordinary human.
God didn't rebuke Job's wife either, despite her suggestion that Job just "curse God and die". Elihu at least tried to do a better job of defending God than Job's other friends did. Absent more compelling evidence (and there may be some; I've never looked), I'd say some commentators have w-a-a-a-y too much time on their hands.
Peace and grace,
Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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Explain million year old dinosaurs. |
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Hi, Hank;
You and I disagree on how to interpret Genesis 1 and I don't want to get that started again. But what you say of atheists and most evolutionists is right on. I have engaged in many discussions with atheists and Darwinians and tried to show them that they start with a leap of faith far more breathtaking than mine. Eventually, they are reduced to the meaningless assertion that I can't prove to their staisfaction that God exists. Duh.
Peace and grace,
Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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Who was Elihu? |
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Greetings saved9201!
"[2] Elihu
Elihu has a far juster and more spiritual conception of the problem than Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar because he has an infinitely higher conception of God. The God of Eliphaz and the others, great though they perceive Him to be in His works, becomes in their thought petty and exacting in His relations with mankind. It is the fatal misconception of all religious externalists and moralizers. Their God is always a small God. Elihu's account of God is noble and true, and it is noteworthy that at the last Jehovah does not class him with Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar (cf) (Job 42:7) but he is still a dogmatist, and his eloquent discourse is marred by self-assertiveness (e.g) (Job 32:8,9; 33:3). Jehovah's judgment of Elihu is that he darkened counsel by words (Job 38:2) the very charge that Elihu had brought against Job. (Job 34:35; 35:16). Furthermore, the discourse of Jehovah is wholly free from the accusations of Job with which even Elihu's lofty discourse abounds.
[Margin] (himself)
Heb. his soul."
[Taken from the Scofield Notes]
- Nolan |
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