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Isai 41:2 referring to Christ or Cyrus? |
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In chapter 41, verse 2, is the "man from the east" referring to Christ or to Cyrus? |
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Isai 41:2 referring to Christ or Cyrus? |
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Isaiah
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Is 41:2 NASB "Who has aroused one from the east
Whom He calls in righteousness to His feet?
He delivers up nations before him
And subdues kings.
He makes them like dust with his sword,
As the wind-driven chaff with his bow." . . . The "man from the east" refers to Cyrus, not Christ.
. . . "one from the east. The Lord anointed Cyrus the Great, king of Persia, to accomplish His righteous will by conquering Babylon in 539 B.C. and allowing some of the Jewish exiles to return to Jerusalem . . . He founded the Persian Empire and ruled from ca. 550 to 530 B.C." . . . (MacArthur Study Bible, p. 1015) |
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when is prophecy near or far? |
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Ezkeiel 12:21-28 is a message from God to Ezekiel that a proverb bemoaning the lengthy time for a prophesy to be fulfilled has accounted for a dismissal of prophecy by the people. Would it be reasonable from this passage to assert unless a prophecy says it is for a time in the distant future, that we may expect a near/soon fulfillment? As an example, should the prophecy and fulfillment of Second Kings 10:30 be considered near or far? Thank you. s/Lowry
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when is prophecy near or far? |
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Jesus is our release from darkness and our provider of a new heart. Once we know this, everything is clear. |
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when is prophecy near or far? |
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The passage in Ezekiel 12:21-28 is concerning them at that specfic time. Some of the people were already in captivity in Babylonia and those that were still Jerusalem were only there because the king of Babylonia, Nebuchadnezzar, let them stay. 2 Kings 25 bears all this out. The prophecy was that the entire city would be destroyed and the rest of the people would be go into captivity also. But those left in Jerusalem said it would not happen becuase it it had taken so long. So God said since they doubted His word, He would bring that specfic prophecy to pass right then. And so He did. Many prophicies are given that have no date or time limit set on them, such as about the end days. Some of Daniels, Ezekiel, and the book of Revelation have not been fulfilled yet and we don't know when they will be. But God knows and has set the time for them to come to pass. It is for us to believe His Word, watch and be ready. The 2 Kings 10:30 prophecy was fulfilled in the kings that followed Jehu. They are found in 2 Kings 10:35; 13:1,10; 14:23; 15:8,12. It gets confusing when you try to sort all of the kings out, they did not follow strict geneology rules, but they are all there, some of the kings of Isreal and Judah had the same names and so forth. Hope this helps.
later...wdc
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Isai 41:2 referring to Christ or Cyrus? |
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Hi Jaybird, Your question was an interesting one and I think one that is not often asked. When I considered it years ago, not knowing about Cyrus and letting the scripture interpret itself, verse 4 seemed to tell who had performed it all. "I, the Lord, am the First, and with the Last. I am He." (Caps mine)
There are three "He" pronouns that start sentences and I was reminded of the three pronouns of Genesis. I think I decided that it wasn't speaking of Christ , however, because I couldn't put Him in verse 3, "He pursues them, passing on in safety, By a way he had not been traversing with his feet."
How did you come to consider this question? You might compare the NASB with the NKJ and if you have knowledge of Hebrew, determine if He calls or if "called him to His feet" is the better translation. Later, Ray
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Isai 41:2 referring to Christ or Cyrus? |
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Is 41:2 NASB "Who has aroused one from the east
Whom He calls in righteousness to His feet?
He delivers up nations before him
And subdues kings.
He makes them like dust with his sword,
As the wind-driven chaff with his bow."
. . . The "man from the east" refers to CYRUS, not Christ.
. . . "one from the east. The Lord anointed *Cyrus* the Great, king of Persia, to accomplish His righteous will by conquering Babylon in 539 B.C. and allowing some of the Jewish exiles to return to Jerusalem . . . He founded the Persian Empire and ruled from ca. 550 to 530 B.C." . . . (MacArthur Study Bible, p. 1015) |
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Isai 41:2 referring to Christ or Cyrus? |
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Hi JVH, I saw your posting and probably MacArthur is correct. I hope that you won't keep a couple of searchers from trying to determine if a capital letter is needed. Just one chapter from here we have "Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one..." or as NKJ says Elect One. It is important that we know who the scripture is talking about. We just wanted to make sure that there wasn't One from the east. I thought it was a worthy search.
While I'm talking with you, why do you suppose the word "with" is in Isa 41:4? Later, Ray |
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Dear Ray: Thanks for your reply. Good to hear from you first thing this morning. I honestly don't know the answer to the question you had for me. The best I could do was quote Isa 41:4 from several translations. Let me know if you find the answer, will you? Happy Easter to you! --JVH0212
. . . Q: While I'm talking with you, why do you suppose the word "with" is in Isa 41:4?
A: I don't know. It just is. See the various translations below.
. . . Isa 41:4 (KJV) Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
. . . 41:4 (The American Standard Version ) Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I, Jehovah, the first, and with the last, I am he.
. . . 41:4 ( Young's Literal Translation ) Who hath wrought and done, Calling the generations from the first? I, Jehovah, the first, and with the last I [am] He.
. . . 41:4 (The NET Bible) Who acts and carries out decrees?
Who summons the successive generations from the beginning?
I, the LORD, am present at the very beginning,
and at the very end--I am the one.[13]
Note 13 (translator's notes) (41:4) Heb "I, the LORD, [am with] the first, and with the last ones I [am] he."
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Isai 41:2 referring to Christ or Cyrus? |
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JVH0212 and Ray,
It appears as though there is little doubt that Isa. 41:2 is referring to Christ. Obviously 41:4 clearly concludes the discussion, at least referring back to verse 1, and "I, Jehovah, the first, and with the last, I am he" certainly seems to be point to Christ Himself. However, I would like to hear other views.
Sam Hughey |
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Where is Plan of Salvation Found? |
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Suppose you have been asked to give a talk to a group of non-Christians about God's plan of salvation. You are allowed to choose your text from only one chapter of the Bible. What chapter would you select and why? |
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Where is Plan of Salvation Found? |
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hi! i would choose Isaiah 53 the whole chapter as it is a reverlation of what God has Given us through His sons suffering. |
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when is prophecy near or far? |
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Is that near or far for whom?jehu or us?. there is no time with God .He inhabits eternity.isaih 57:15. faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.His word shall not return to Him void. there is no time placed on Prophesy unless it is stated. what i am trying to say is that if you are believing for something from God,ie healing, salvation etc.if you have not heard from God the ultimate end will be fleshly. So when the Lord speaks He will inturn give a scripture for you to have faith in and stand upon when satan attacks.This makes prophesy as far away as your faith. Faith is the ability to be able to recieve from God in His timing. YIC. |
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Isai 41:2 referring to Christ or Cyrus? |
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all scripture is given 2 Tim 3;16.if you can see Jesus in a scripture then you are seeing God. Doesnt the word say that the Pure in heart shall see God. I say it dont matter who it talks about as long as Jesus is exalted in all things.i have heard that Jesus will return through the EAST gate. |
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Where is Plan of Salvation Found? |
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The first answer that comes to mind is John 3, especially verses 1-21. John 3:1-21 emphasizes that Jesus is the Messiah and Son of God and that He came to offer salvation to people. In this chapter Jesus Himself presented God's plan of salvation to Nicodemus. Additionally, John 3:16 has often been referred to as the Gospel in a nutshell.
. . . I hasten to add, I do not say John 3 is the one right answer. It is merely *my* answer to the question "What chapter would YOU select...?" |
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Where is Plan of Salvation Found? |
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Hank,
When I read your question, the first passage that came to mind was 1 Cor. 15:1-4.
(1) Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;(2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.(3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;(4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Paul here sets forth clearly and concisely the gospel that he preached. If you are speaking to a group of people that are non-Christians, most likely they are un-Churched as well and not fimiliar with Church words either. That is way I like this passage. The passage also leads to good questions they may ask or that you can lead into.
Why did Jesus die or how does His death affect us?
What does His burial and resurrection have to do with anything?
Why according to the Scriptures?
Three days?
I am used to these questions because I use this passage quite often in circumstances you are refering to. You can take these questions and teach the whole Bible if you have time.
later...wdc |
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Where is Plan of Salvation Found? |
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Dear wdc: Yours is a most excellent answer and selection of a Scripture passage presenting the plan of salvation. You have quoted a key passage in the Bible. 1 Cor 15:1-4 IS the Bible definition of "the gospel."
Moreover, the gospel as described in 1 Cor 15:1-4 is the FULL Gospel. There is nothing to add to it. To suggest, as some would, that this passage of the Bible does not include the full gospel, there being something more, is to be in danger of advocating another gospel and another Jesus. --JVH0212 |
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What is your take on Isa 28:10? |
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What is your take on Isa 28:10? |
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What is your take on Isa 28:10? |
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Greetings Jim!
One source I consulted suggested that the religious leaders were mocking Isaiah's words. They felt like they were being lectured, like little children. So either they were using nonsensical words to mock Isaiah's message or they were simply imitating an adult lecturing a child. The phrase "a little here, a little there" referred to a method of teaching children.
So, in vv. 11ff, Isaiah tells them that if they would not listen to his words, then they would be "lectured" by a conquring nation instead.
Any other thoughts?
Tim Moran |
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Who is Lucifer/ why was heson of morning |
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Is.14:12 Lucifer; Brillient Star? light bearer? Why was Lucifer called son of the morning? Did He make Cain kill Abel?
Was He still in Heaven at the time of Cain and Abel? Was the King of Babylon (Lucifer?) Thanks |
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Who is Lucifer/ why was heson of morning |
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Lucifer is the English translation of the Hebrew word meaning "light bringer" or "shining one", sometimes designating the morning or day star. In Isa 14:12 the Babylonian ruler is compared to a "Day Star" (the NIV bible says morning star), which has fallen from heaven and has been felled like a stately tree. In the Christian Church this passage came to be connected with Jesus saying in Luke 10:18 "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven". It was here that the connection was made between Lucifer and Satan.
Satan was in the Garden of Eden therefore he had to of already been on the earth when Cain and Abel were born. Satan cannot make us do anything that God does not allow him to do. He can only tempt us. Therefore he did not make Cain kill Abel but he was a definite influence on Cain.
The King of Babylon was not Lucifer but he. too, was influenced by him. prayon |
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how can we abide under the wings |
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how can we abide under the wings
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how can we abide under the wings |
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One must dwell in secret place of the Almighty |
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MEANING OF 40CHAPTER V 11? |
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WHAT DOES THE 40TH CHAPTER AND 11VERSE MEAN? |
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MEANING OF 40CHAPTER V 11? |
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Are you speaking about the book of Isaiah |
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MEANING OF 40CHAPTER V 11? |
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Dear bcollins,
Isaiah 40:11 "He will feed his flock like a shepherd, he will gather the lambs in his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and will gently lead those that have their young." (American Standard Version - 1901)
The Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary explains this verse in this way..
"Isa 40:11 - feed--including all a shepherd's care--"tend" (Eze_34:23; Psa_23:1; Heb_13:20; 1Pe_2:25).
carry--applicable to Messiah's restoration of Israel, as sheep scattered in all lands, and unable to move of themselves to their own land (Psa_80:1; Jer_23:3). As Israel was "carried from the womb" (that is, in its earliest days) (Isa_63:9, Isa_63:11-12; Psa_77:20), so it shall be in "old age" (that is, its latter days) (Isa_46:3-4).
gently lead--as a thoughtful shepherd does the ewes "giving suck" (Margin) (Gen_33:13-14)."
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Isaiah 40:11 Like a shepherd He will tend His flock, in His arm He will gather the lambs and carry them in His bosom; He will gently lead the nursing ewes.
This is about the Great Shepherd who will take take of His people (vs 1). Handel's Messiah uses the words of the first five verses.
In verse 10 He comes with power, as a mighty ruler. Then He is gentle in verse 11. I think about President Kennedy who was a ruler to the people and then a daddy to his children.
Steve |
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MEANING OF 40CHAPTER V 11? |
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Verses 10 and 11 are speaking of Gods next messenger ( Elijah to come) The Bible says he comes unstoppable to those that come against Gods people but gentle to those that are Gods people, he comes as Gods arm to lead and guide His people ( Isa 42:25 NKJ)Therefore He has poured on him the fury of His anger and the strength of battle
(Isa 11:12 NKJ) He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. (Isa 53:11 NIV) By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
Isa 40:10-11
10Behold, the Lord GOD will come with might,
With His arm ruling for Him.
Behold, His reward is with Him
And His recompense before Him.
11Like a shepherd He will tend His flock,
In His arm He will gather the lambs
And carry them in His bosom;
He will gently lead the nursing ewes.
NASU
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MEANING OF 40CHAPTER V 11? |
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Nope. Isaiah 40 is all about GOD, not any "Elijah to come."
--Joe! |
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