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significance of the number forty |
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Bible general Archive 1
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The number forty "40" has remarkable coincidences in the Bible. There were forty days of rain (Gen. 7:17) at the time of the flood, forty days before sending forth the raven (Gen. 8:6), Forty days for embalming (Gen. 50:3), and of fasting by Moses (Ex. 24:18; 34:28; Deut. 9:9,25), by Elijah (1 Kin. 19:8), and by Jesus (Matt. 4:2). Spies were in the promised land for forty days (Num. 13:25). Forty days of probation was given to the Ninevites (Jonah 3:4), the temptation of Jesus lasted for forty days (Luke 4:1-2), and Christ stayed forty days here on earth after His resurrection (Acts 1:3). The number 40 is also used symbolically in Ezekiel 4:6.As for forty years, the Israelites wandered in the wilderness (Ex. 16:35; Num. 14:34, 32:13). There was to be peace in Israel for forty years (Judg. 3:11, 5:31, 8:28). Egypt was to be desolated (Ezek.29:11) and restored after (Ezek.29:13).Also, Forty stripes were administered in punishing criminals (Deut. 25:3) and the 'forty minus one' or thirty-nine lashes (2 Cor. 11:24). Goliath the Philistine took his stand against Israel for forty days (1 Sam. 17:16) and both David and Solomon reigned over Israel for forty years (1 Kin. 2:11, 11:42). Is there a common theme? In the sense of repentance/fasting yes, but there is not 'set time' in the Bible for how long we should repent or fast. |
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Six fingered man today? |
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2 Sam 21:20
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Reading 1 Sam 21:22 and 1 Chronicles 20 I think there is enough evidence to conclude these four were related to Goliath the giant that David first killed. I think this is the reason David picked up 5 smooth stones 1 Sam. 17:40. David evidently knew Goliath had four relatives and I think David was preparing to fight Goliath plus the four of them.
Evidently the 6 fingers along with their great stature was a generic trait.
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Why doesn't Saul know David? |
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1 Sam 16:19
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When Saul meets David at the time that David kills Goliath (1 Sam. 17) why doesn't he already know him (1 Sam. 16:19-23) and if David was living with Saul (1 Sam. 16:19-23) then why was he living with Jesse in the very next few verses (1 Sam. 17:1ff)? |
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Did David or Elhanan kill Goliath? |
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2 Sam 21:19
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Did David kill Goliath as we read in 1 Sam. 17 or did Elhanan (2 Sam. 21:19)? |
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Did David or Elhanan kill Goliath? |
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2 Sam 21:19
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2 Samuel 21:19 states that Elhanan slew Goliath the Gittite. This statement clearly raises the question of whether David truly did slew the giant Goliath. The International Bible commentary states that one version states Elhanan slew Goliath's brother (see 1 Chron 20:5). It has been suggested that perhaps the name David itself may be a throne name or title, since 'dawidum' in the Mari texts means 'commander', and that his original name may be lost. But it is doubtful whether it could of been Elhanan. |
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Did David or Elhanan kill Goliath? |
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2 Sam 21:19
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Thank you prayon!
The Zondervan NIV Study Bible states, "Since it is clear from 1 Sam. 17 that David killed Goliath, it is possible that an early copyist misread the Hebrew for "Lahmi the brother of" (see 1 Chr. 20:5) as "the Bethlehemite" (in Hebrew the word for "killed" stands first in the clause)."
The Ryrie Expanded Edition NASB states, "The Hebrew text attributes the slaying of Goliath to Elhanan, in contradiction of 1 Sam. 17:50. There is evidence of a copyist's error (cf. 1 Chr. 20:5), and it is probable that Elhanan killed "the brother of" Goliath. Others suggest that Elhanan and David are different names for the same person, just as Solomon had another name (cf. 12:25). Or it is possible that there were two Goliaths."
The MacArthur NKJV Study Bible states, "The minor scribal omission of "the brother of" (in the Heb.) belongs in this verse, based on 1 Chr. 20:5 which includes them, and because clearly the Scripture says that David killed Goliath as recorded in 1 Sam. 17:50. The NKJV gives the most likely solution, that there has been a scribal error in the text which should read, "Elhanan ... killed the 'brother of' Goliath." A second possible solution is that Elhanan and David may be different names for the same person, just as Solomon had another name (cf. 12:24-25). A third solution is, perhaps that there were two giants named Goliath."
This is all very interesting. I disagree with the NKJV's addition of the phrase "the brother of" here, since I believe that there should be very little addition to (if any addition at all) to the actual Biblical text. However, I see what they were trying to do, and I agree with them that the "Goliath" in this verse is the 'brother of' the Goliath that David slew in 1 Sam. 17..
Blessings!
Nolan |
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Did David or Elhanan kill Goliath? |
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2 Sam 21:19
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Nolan yours and Prayon's answers are quite right but I think this says it most clearly.
From the Book "When Critices Ask" ask by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe publisher Victor Press, pg. 176
'The 2 Samuel text is probably a scribal error in copying the manuscripts and should read "Elhanan... slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite." This conculsion is supported by a parallel report of the story in 1 Chronicles 20:5 which has the missing highlighted phrase "Lahmi the brother of," thus showing it was the brother of Goliath that Elhanan killed and not Goliath, whom David slew just as 1 Samuael 17 reports.' |
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Did David or Elhanan kill Goliath? |
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2 Sam 21:19
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EdB ... Yes, that is possible. But, as I was reading the passages last night, I wondered if there could be a second man named Goliath.
I wish there weren't all these copiest "problems" in the Bible.
Steve |
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Did David or Elhanan kill Goliath? |
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2 Sam 21:19
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Steve you might be right but I see Goliath having 4 brothers in the 2 Samuel 19 passage. I figure that is why David picked up 5 smooth stones 1 Sam 17:40. David thought he might have to fight and kill Goliath's 4 brothers, after he was finished with Goliath. |
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Did David or Elhanan kill Goliath? |
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2 Sam 21:19
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Hello EdB!
This is an excellent observation:
"that is why David picked up 5 smooth stones 1 Sam 17:40. David thought he might have to fight and kill Goliath's 4 brothers, after he was finished with Goliath."
'stones': round and smooth and somewhat larger then a baseball (A).
'sling': the tools of the shepherd proved to be appropriate weapons also for Israel's shepherd (2 Sam. 5:2; 7:7; Psalm 78:72). One of David's honorable and chief men of battle, Benaiah, son of Jehoiada, slew a formidable Egyptian warrior (2 Sam. 23:20-21) with a staff like the one David carried toward Goliath (B). For the Benjamites' skill with a sling see Judg. 20:16 (A).
One question: If David picked up five stones for Goliath and each one of his brothers, then how did David know that Goliath had four brothers?
(A).. Zondervan NASB Study Bible
(B).. MacArthur NKJV Study Bible
Blessings,
Nolan |
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What does the number 40 mean? |
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Bible general Archive 1
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Roberta, number of testing and trial.
according to Willmington, H. L. in "Book of Bible Lists."
Gen 7:4 - Rained 40 days and 40 nights
Exo 24:18 - Moses on Mount Sinai 40 days and 40 nights
Exo 34:28 - Moses fasted 40 days and 40 nights
Num 13:25 - Israel spied out the land 40 days
Num 14:33 - Israel wandered 40 years
1Sa 4:18 - Eli led Israel 40 years
1Sa 17:16 - Goliath taunted Israel 40 days
1Ki 19:8 - Elijah's trip to horeb took 40 days and 40 nights
Eze 29:12 - No one will be able to pass through Egypt for 40 years
Jnh 3:4 - Jonah preached Ninevah would be destoryed in 40 days
Mat 4:2 - Jesus fasted 40 days and 40 nights, then tempted
Act 1:3 - 40 days and 40 nights between resurrection and ascension
There are other phrases with the number 40.
I see a variety of activities. Some are not testings or trails.
Some people are into numerology, I am not.
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Why did God choose Saul? |
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1 Sam 9:16
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Why did God choose Saul?
-He was from the wrong tribe (Gen 49:10).
-It was the wrong time. People chose (1 Sam 8).
-He didn't have the talent. He was a coward before Goliath (1 Sam 17).
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1 Samuel 17:3-5 |
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Bible general Archive 1
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Is there any recorded information on the life of Goliath? His birth, parents, heritage. |
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1 Samuel 17:3-5 |
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Bible general Archive 1
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Hello heart5154!
Here is some information on Goliath..
"Goliath (1) The giant of Gath, and champion of the Philistine army (1 Sam 17:4-23; 21:9; 22:10; 2 Sam 21:19; 1 Ch 20:5ff). He defied the armies of Israel, challenging anyone to meet him in single combat while the two armies faced each other at Ephesdammim. He was slain by the youthful David. Goliath was almost certainly not of Philistine blood, but belonged to one of the races of giants, or aboriginal tribes, such as the Anakim, Avvim, Rephaim, etc. The Avvim had lived at Philistia, and most probably the giant was of that race. His size was most extraordinary. If a cubit was about 21 inches, he was over 11 feet in height; if about 18 inches, he was over 9 feet in height. The enormous weight of his armor would seem to require the larger cubit. This height probably included his full length in armor, helmet and all. In either case he is the largest man known to history. His sword was wielded by David to slay him and afterward carried about in his wanderings, so it could not have been excessively heavy. The story of his encounter with David is graphic, and the boasts of the two champions were perfectly in keeping with single combats in the Orient.
(2) The Goliath of 2 Sam 21:19 is another person, and quite probably a son of the first Goliath. He was slain by Elhanan, one of David’s mighty men. The person mentioned in 1 Ch 20:5 is called Lachmi, but this is almost certainly due to a corruption of the text. “The brother of Goliath” is the younger Goliath and probably a son of the greater Goliath, who had four sons, giants, one of them having 24 fingers and toes. See ELHANAN; LAHMI." International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
Nave's Topical Bible Suggests, "Goliath (A giant champion of Gath) Defied armies of Israel and is killed by David 1Sa. 17; 1Sa 21:9; 1Sa 22:10; His sons 2Sa 21:15-22; 1Ch 20:4-8;"
"Goliath - great. (1.) A famous giant of Gath, who for forty days openly defied the armies of Israel, but was at length slain by David with a stone from a sling (1Sa 17:4). He was probably descended from the Rephaim who found refuge among the Philistines after they were dispersed by the Ammonites (Deu 2:20-21). His height was "six cubits and a span," which, taking the cubit at 21 inches, is equal to 10 1/2 feet. David cut off his head (1Sa 17:51) and brought it to Jerusalem, while he hung the armour which he took from him in his tent. His sword was preserved at Nob as a religious trophy (1Sa 21:9). David's victory over Goliath was the turning point in his life. He came into public notice now as the deliverer of Israel and the chief among Saul's men of war (1Sa 18:5), and the devoted friend of Jonathan.
(2.) In 2Sa_21:19 there is another giant of the same name mentioned as slain by Elhanan. The staff of his apear "was like a weaver's beam." The Authorized Version interpolates the words "the brother of" from 1Ch 20:5, where this giant is called Lahmi." (Easton's Bible Dictionary)
"LAHMI (Lah' mi) Personal name meaning “my bread” or perhaps an abbreviated form of Bethlehemite. Brother of the giant Goliath. Elhanan the son of Jair killed him (1 Chron. 20:5). The parallel passage (2 Sam. 21:19) says Elhanan the Bethlehemite killed Goliath. Compare 1 Samuel 17. The Chronicler may have been using a text of Samuel which copyists had made difficult to read and have interpreted it to the best of his ability. Some interpreters think the present text of Samuel represents copyists’ confusion with the Chronicler’s text accurate. See Elhanan; Goliath." (Holman Bible Dictionary)
--Nolan |
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Do we let the Lord fighting our battles? |
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1 Sam 8:20
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We do lose our focus, when we don't spend time in prayer ... then we want to be like the world and "let our hair down."
Saul should of battled Goliath (1Sa 17) and was his downfall before the people. He had 3 strikes and was out according to the Lord.
I think I don't let the Lord do His part. One reason is that I want to see how good I am. I don't think I've ever asked anyone to do my battles - pride. I know people who have turned to their friends rather than the Lord.
Steve
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Who Killed Goliath? |
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2 Sam 21:19
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1 Samuel 17:51 Then David ran and stood over the Philistine and took his sword and drew it out of its sheath and killed him, and cut off his head with it. When the Philistines saw that their champion was dead, they fled. (NAS)
2 Samuel 21:19 And there was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. (NAS)
Who Killed Goliath? David or Elhanan?
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Who Killed Goliath? |
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2 Sam 21:19
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David did ELHANAN killed a brother of Goliath.
(1.) A warrior of the time of David famed for his exploits. In the Authorized Version (2Sa 21:19) it is recorded that "Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath." The Revised Version here rightly omits the words "the brother of." They were introduced in the Authorized Version to bring this passage into agreement with 1Ch 20:5, where it is said that he "slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath." Goliath the Gittite was killed by David (1Sa 17). The exploit of Elhanan took place late in David's reign.
(2.) The son of Dodo, and one of David's warriors (2Sa 23:24). Love in Christ RC.Scroll |
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Who Killed Goliath? |
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2 Sam 21:19
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Remember that David took five stone's with him,well I had allway's been taught that five represented grace but upon study we see that Goliath had four brothers, Amen, that is why he had five to ensure he could defend himself against the brother's. Wonderful faith to only take what you need .Love in CHRIST JESUS .RC.Scroll |
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Who Killed Goliath? |
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2 Sam 21:19
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Look at what I found:
2 Samuel 21:19 And there was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. (NAS)
1 Chronicles 20:5 And there was war with the Philistines again, and Elhanan the son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. (NAS)
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What do YOU think, fellow Berian? |
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1 Thess 5:23
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Bill I think the focus is on repentance, when Peter was asked what must we do to be saved he said repent and be baptized. There is a teaching that says we must bring our actions under the blood of Jesus, especially our sins so that they may be forgiven. I’m not so sure that they need to be forgiven, for as you said Jesus died for our sins past present and future. But by repenting or confessing we are reaffirming that Jesus is Lord of our lives. The actual act of confessing and asking forgiveness really becomes an act of submission. Submitting ourselves once again to the Lord or Lords and the King of Kings.
I think Christianity gets all tied up in semantics and word definitions. One time I mentioned pleading the blood of Jesus, and you would have thought the world slide to a stop. Where was that in Bible? Is that scriptural? Etc. When I plead the Blood of Jesus I’m really rehearsing and proclaiming my position in Christ. Much like David did when he went out to meet Goliath and rehearsed what God had delivered him of. I’m stating the fact that since I’m under the blood my High Priest Jesus Christ is standing ready to defend me before God. That no power in this world is greater than the power within me. I’m not asking that mystical covering of blood flow over me to protect me but rather to assure myself of Who I rely on.
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what is your view? |
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Heb 13:17
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Goliath, it appears you read the other thread, in part or whole. We do need to submit to our leaders. It is so there is some order and discipline in the church.
Our leaders should not be dictators (3Jo 1:9-10). Nor should they force this down our throat.
Steve |
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Please explaine The Armor of God. |
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Eph 6:11
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"EPHESIANS 6:14
Stand therefore—Resist every attack—as a soldier does in battle. In what way they were to do this, and how they were to be armed, the apostle proceeds to specify; and in doing it, gives a description of the ancient armor of a soldier.
Having your loins girt about—The “girdle, or sash,” was always with the ancients an important part of their dress, in war as well as in peace. They wore loose, flowing robes; and it became necessary to gird them up when they traveled, or ran, or labored. The girdle was often highly ornamented, and was the place where they carried their money, their sword, their pipe, their writing instruments, etc.; see the notes on Matt. 5:38-41. The “girdle” seems sometimes to have been a cincture of iron or steel, and designed to keep every part of the armor in its place, and to gird the soldier on every side. The following figures will give an idea of part of the armor of an ancient soldier.
And having on the breast-plate—The word rendered here as “breastplate” denoted the “cuirass,” Lat.: , or coat of mail; i. e., the armor that covered the body from the neck to the thighs, and consisted of two parts, one covering the front and the other the back. It was made of rings, or in the form of scales, or of plates, so fastened together that they, would be flexible, and yet guard the body from a sword, spear, or arrow. It is referred to in the Scriptures as a “coat of mail” 1 Sam. 17:5; an “habergeon” Neh. 4:16, or as a “breast-plate.” We are told that Goliath’s coat of mail weighed five thousand shekels of brass, or nearly one hundred and sixty pounds. It was often formed of plates of brass, laid one upon another, like the scales of a fish. The following cuts will give an idea of this ancient piece of armor.
Of righteousness—Integrity, holiness, purity of life, sincerity of piety. The breast-plate defended the vital parts of the body; and the idea here may be that the integrity of life, and righteousness of character, is as necessary to defend us from the assaults of Satan, as the coat of mail was to preserve the heart from the arrows of an enemy. It was the incorruptible integrity of Job, and, in a higher sense, of the Redeemer himself, that saved them from the temptations of the devil. And it is as true now that no one can successfully meet the power of temptation unless he is righteous, as that a soldier could not defend himself against a foe without such a coat of mail. A want of integrity will leave a man exposed to the assaults of the enemy, just as a man would be whose coat of mail was defective, or some part of which was missing. The king of Israel was smitten by an arrow sent from a bow, drawn at a venture, “between the joints of his harness” or the “breast-plate” (margin), 1 Kings 22:34; and many a man who thinks he has on the “Christian” armor is smitten in the same manner. There is some defect of character; some want of incorruptible integrity; some point that is unguarded—and that will be sure to be the point of attack by the foe. So David was tempted to commit the enormous crimes that stain his memory, and Peter to deny his Lord. So Judas was assailed, for the want of the armor of righteousness, through his avarice; and so, by some want of incorruptible integrity in a single point, many a minister of the gospel has been assailed and has fallen. It may be added here, that we need a righteousness which God alone can give; the righteousness of God our Saviour, to make us perfectly invulnerable to all the arrows of the foe.
And your feet shod—There is undoubtedly an allusion here to what was worn by the ancient soldier to guard his feet. The Greek is, literally, “having underbound the feet;” that is, having bound on the shoes, or sandais, or whatever was worn by the ancient soldier. The protection of the feet and ankles consisted of two parts:
(1) The sandals, or shoes, which were probably made so as to cover the foot, and which often were fitted with nails, or armed with spikes, to make the hold firm in the ground: or.
(2) With “greaves” that were fitted to the legs, and designed to defond them from any danger. These “greaves,” or boots 1 Sam. 17:6, were made of brass, and were in almost universal use among the Greeks and Romans.
Taken from Barnes' Notes on the New Testament
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Why did David choose five stones? |
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John 3:16
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I've heard Hagee say it was because Goliath had 4 brothers. :) |
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Why did David choose five stones? |
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John 3:16
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Because Goliath had 4 brothers see 2 Samuel 21:15-22. David was prepared to kill Goliath and his four brothers if need be.
Just as Norrie stated earlier |
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What was the mark on Cain put by God? |
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Genesis
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Six is associated with the creation of Man GEN 1:26-31 Man was created on the sixth day; and hence six is man's "Hall mark"; and , with its multiples, is stamped upon all that characterizes man as falling short of God; or in opposition to or defiance to God.
Goliath was 6 cubits high; his spear's head weighed 600 shekels of iron; and he had 6 pieces of armour enumerated.
Nebuchadnezzar was similarily marked. His image was 60 cubits high, and 6 cubits wide, while 6 instruments of music called for its universal worship.
The Beast is marked by the threefold combination of 666
REV 13:18 Here is wisdom, Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast :
for it is the number of a man;
and his number is six hundred threescore and six.
The Hebrew word used regarding the mark that Cain receives is owth meaning in the sense of appearing; a signal, lit. or fig., as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc..
-mark, miracle, en-sign, token.
1 JOHN 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither is he that loveth not his brother.
1 JOHN 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
1 JOHN 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. |
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Did Satan wait to tempt Jesus? |
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Matt 4:2
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Dear mylene,
Searcher56 has explained those related passages very well. I just had a couple of other thoughts to share. As you know from precept, letting scripture interpret scripture is very important. And, without getting into any 'theomatic' discussions, the number 40 is frequently used in the Bible as a time of testing.
It rained for 40 days and nights when the earth was being flooded.
The Israelites scouted out (tested) Canaanland for 40 days to see what the conditions were there.
Of course, after refusing to enter, they were 'tested' in the wilderness for 40 years, 1 year for every day spent in Canaanland.
Moses was on the mountain for 40 days and nights before God gave him the 10 Commandments.
Goliath 'tested' and taunted Israel every morning for 40 days.
So, along with what Searcher has posted, I think that the 40 days and nights were a time of testing and temptation for our Lord. I hope this helps.
In Christ,
Bill Mc |
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goliath was a giant from out of what peo |
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1 Samuel
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Goliath
great. (1.) A famous giant of Gath, who for forty
days openly defied the armies of Israel, but was
at length slain by David with a stone from a sling
(1Sa 17:4). HEW WAS PROBABLY DECENDED from
the REPHAIM who found refuge among the
Philistines after they were dispersed by the
Ammonites (De 2:20-21). His height was "six
cubits and a span," which, taking the cubit at 21
inches, is equal to 10 1/2 feet. David cut off his
head (1Sa 17:51) and brought it to Jerusalem,
while he hung the armour which he took from
him in his tent. His sword was preserved at Nob
as a religious trophy (1Sa 21:9). David's victory
over Goliath was the turning point in his life. He
came into public notice now as the deliverer of
Israel and the chief among Saul's men of war
(1Sa 18:5), and the devoted friend of Jonathan.
(2.) In 2Sa 21:19 there is another giant of the
same name mentioned as slain by Elhanan. The
staff of his apear "was like a weaver's beam."
The Authorized Version interpolates the words
"the brother of" from 1Ch 20:5, where this giant
is called Lahmi.
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Why did David choose 5 stones? |
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1 Sam 17:40
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Is there any significance to David choosing 5 stones. Some have speculated the other 4 were for Goliath's brothers. Any bibilical proof for that? |
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Why did David choose 5 stones? |
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1 Sam 17:40
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Greetings Psalm46!
According to the Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary, "David chose five stones, as a reserve, in case the first should fail."
Yes, it has been suggested that David chose for himself five smooth stones, symbolizing the death and defeat of Goliath and his brothers at the hand of David and his army. However, there is nothing within the text to suggest that Goliath's brothers were present to witness this "showdown" between David and Goliath. Also, there is nothing to suggest how David could have possibly known that Goliath had four brothers. So I believe that he took five smooth stones to ensure that he had enough 'ammunition' to carry out his mission, if he were to miss.
For more on Goliath and his brothers, please do a 'Search' at the right and I'm sure that you will be able to pull up plenty of information.
Blessings to you,
Nolan |
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