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When should a person leave a church? That is, when should a person stop attending a particular local church? |
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In Ephesians it talks about unity in the chuch, the body of Christ. I believe that it is through the Holy Spirit that we are led to a body, and that being true we all have a place in the body of Christ( 1Cor 12:14-26).Now I believe that if we are called to leave we must do so at the specific call of God. We do not want to leave the body injured or without working parts. Paul through out his writing talked about persevering and praying for the lacks within a church. If we leave due to hurt or injustice I believe we take that with us to the next place. So, the decision must be approached carefully, in prayer and you must have confirmation from God before leaving. |
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Thank you for a very wise and conscientious answer to my question. I agree with you completely. No matter what a person's reasons are for leaving a church, he ought to consider what you have written in your reply. Thanks again. |
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Did Jesus go to hell after dying? |
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Did Jesus go to hell after dying on the cross, as stated in the Apostles Creed? |
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Did Jesus go to hell after dying? |
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Psalm 68:18 is quoted by Paul in Ephesians 4:8, and explained by him in verses 9-13. Most if not all interpreters will agree that the ascension to on high refers to Jesus' ascension back to heaven. But the dispute arrises based on the interpretation of his descension. Some interpreters assert that this refers to Jesus descending into hell (Hades) after His death on the cross. At this time, they say that He took the Old Testament believers out of the "saved" part of Hades, and led them to heaven. These are the captives that are spoken of.
The problem with this interpretation is that the quotation in the Psalms sounds more like a victorious conqueror riding into the city of the defeated king. In the time of David, the conqueror would lead the captured soldiers back into the city where the inhabitants would be forced to watch their army being humiliated. The Old Testament saints are not a defeated army. They are the victorious soldiers going with their king. The captives may be unsaved people and/or Satanic forces.
The basis of suggesting that Jesus wet to Hades after His death is usually made to account for this verse. If we remove the problem of having to depolulate "saved" Hades, then there is no reason for Jesus to have gone to Hades.
What of the phrase "He also descended into the lower parts of the earth"? Those who take the second view will say that this refers to the incarnation, when Jesus descended from heaven to be born as a little baby of a virgin.
In short, No, I don't believe Jesus ever went to hell, despite the Apostles' Creed.
God Bless.
In Christ,
Koinekid
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Any comWEDNESDAY, May 9
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Luke 6:27-38. For he is kind to the unthankful and those who are wicked.
And aren't we glad? If God is kind to those who are wicked or unthankful (translation: us) then we are certain he will love us for trying to be like him. That means we should help others, even if they are pains- in-the-neck or pigs (like brothers) or just plain jerks, we should help them. That is what Jesus would do. Remember, God loves the jerks, and the little brothers, and all those pain-in-the-neck people. Also remember that to someone else you might be that pain-in-the-neck Jesus was talking about.
If God has the patience to love you when you reject and ignore him, can you do less and still really call yourself his disciple? I know that I am not perfect, but knowing God loves me anyway makes it a lot easier to be nice to my little brother when he annoys me. God loves him as much as he loves me. And the nicest thing about this passage is that Jesus affirms all our hopes when he says that God loves all of us, even at our worst.
Come with us, O blessed Jesus,
With us evermore to be:
And in leaving now thine altar,
Let us nevermore leave thee!
O let thine angel chorus
Cease not the heavenly strain,
But in us, thy loving children,
Bring peace, good will to men.
Ps 119:49-72; *Wisdom 4:165:8; Col. 1:242:7
*From the Apocrypha
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And aren't we glad? If God is kind to those who are wicked or unthankful (translation: us) then we are certain he will love us for trying to be like him.
This statement is false. God does not love us on the basis of our deeds, because all our deeds are tainted with sin. He loves and saves us in Christ (Eph 1 and 2) not on the basis of our works, but on the basis of His grace.
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Dear Lionstrong, Would it make any difference if it was understood that Christians are the subject of the reading and not others outside the Church? |
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Did Jesus go to hell after dying? |
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Dear Timotheus, Yes, if by Hell you mean a "hidden place". In a modern translation of the Apostles'Creed you will read that he "descended to the dead". Please read this from beginning to end:
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
hell
SYLLABICATION: hell
PRONUNCIATION: hl
NOUN : 1. a. often Hell The abode of condemned souls and devils in some religions; the place of eternal punishment for the wicked after death, presided over by Satan. b. A state of separation from God; exclusion from God's presence. 2. The abode of the dead, identified with the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades; the underworld. 3. a. A situation or place of evil, misery, discord, or destruction: “War is hell” (William Tecumseh Sherman) b. Torment; anguish: “went through hell on the job.” 4. a. The powers of darkness and evil. b. Informal One that causes trouble, agony, or annoyance: “The boss is hell when a job is poorly done.” 5. A sharp scolding: “gave the student hell for cheating.” 6. Informal Excitement, mischievousness, or high spirits: “We did it for the sheer hell of it.” 7. a. A tailor's receptacle for discarded material. b. Printing A hellbox. 8. Informal Used as an intensive: “How the hell can I go? You did one hell of a job.” 9. Archaic A gambling house.
INTRANSITIVE VERB : Informal Inflected forms: helled, hell·ing, hells
To behave riotously; carouse: “out all night helling around.”
INTERJECTION : Used to express anger, disgust, or impatience.
IDIOMS: for the hell of it For no particular reason; on a whim: “walked home by the old school for the hell of it.” hell on Informal 1. Damaging or destructive to: “Driving in a hilly town is hell on the brakes.” 2. Unpleasant to or painful for. or (or and) high water. Troubles or difficulties of whatever magnitude: “We're staying, come hell or high water.” hell to pay Great trouble: “If we're wrong, there'll be hell to pay.” like hell Informal 1. Used as an intensive: “He ran like hell to catch the bus.” 2. Used to express strong contradiction or refusal: “He says he's going along with us—Like hell he is!”
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English helle, from Old English. kel-
WORD HISTORY: Hell comes to us directly from Old English hel. Because the Roman Church prevailed in England from an early date, the Roman—that is, Mediterranean—belief that hell was hot prevailed there too; in Old English hel is a black and fiery place of eternal torment for the damned. But because the Vikings were converted to Christianity centuries after the Anglo-Saxons, the Old Norse hel, from the same source as Old English hel, retained its earlier pagan senses as both a place and a person. As a place, hel is the abode of oathbreakers, other evil persons, and those unlucky enough not to have died in battle. It contrasts sharply with Valhalla, the hall of slain heroes. Unlike the Mediterranean hell, the Old Norse hel is very cold. Hel is also the name of the goddess or giantess who presides in hel, the half blue-black, half white daughter of Loki and the giantess Angrbotha. The Indo-European root behind these Germanic words is *kel–, “to cover, conceal” (so hell is the “concealed place”); it also gives us hall, hole, hollow, and helmet.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by the Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
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I hope this has helped. Yours in Christ Jesus, Wist ye not
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I'm sorry, wist, I don't know to what your question is in reference. Your question is not connected to the tree in which I made a comment.
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Dear Lionstrong, Sorry. It was to the devotional reading you had replied to. I realized as soon as I posted my note didn't look right. YOurs in Christ, Wist |
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how can I use this vhapter as a church council devotion? |
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can I use this chapter as a church counc |
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Are you talking about chapter 4?
In part. I would start in 3:14
3:14-21 A Pastor's Prayer
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Note for Ephisians Chapter 4 |
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Note for Ephisians Chapter 4 |
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What is Ephesians all about? |
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In short, can anyone give a "commentary" on the book of Ephesians? What is it all about and what message is Paul trying to give the church? |
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Welcom to the forum, songbird. Ephesians is a letter that shows the Christian life from the mountaintop with Christ being the main focus.
Half the verses in Ephesians are found in Colossains.
Ephesians can be divided into two sections
-doctrine (chapters 1-3)
-ethics (chapters 4-6)
Within each group there are subdivisions. If you want those, please ask.
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Please provide the subdivisions. What are the Foundation Stones? |
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Pls. provide subdivisions. |
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Songbird, I presume you are reffering to Eph 2:20, which says "having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone."
The church was one (vv 11-19) and the foundation were the 12 apostles, the prophets (some say only the OT, others include John ... some say that there are prophets today) and Jesus Himself is the corner stone. The foundation stones of the church are these three. Very solid.
Then we the church (people) are joined together like a building raised (if you know abour barn raising it helps) to become a holy temple in the Lord (vs 21) ... we are built together what Gdo by His Spirit dwells (vs 22).
I hope I answered your question,
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Now for the subdivisons
1. Redemption (Ch. 1)
a. Church planned by the God the Father (1:1-6)
b. Church purchased by God the Son (1:7-10)
c. Church preserved by God the Spirit (1:11-14)
d. Church prayed for by Paul (1:15-23)
2. Reconciliation (Ch. 2) We were
a. Ruined by sin (2:1-3)
b. Redeemed by grace (2:4-10)
c. Reconciled by God (2:11-16)
d. Restored by Christ (2:17-22)
3 Revelation (Ch. 3)
a The mystery (3:1-12)
b The petition (3:13-21)
4. Walk in unity (4:1-16)
a Exhortation to unity (4:1-3)
b Explanation to unity (4:4-6)
c Implementation of unity (4:7-11)
b Expectations of unity (4:12-16)
5 Walk in purity (4:17-5:21)
a Put off the old man (4:17-22)
b Put on the new man (4:23-29)
c Grieve not the Spirit (4:30- 5:2)
d Walk in light (5:3-17)
e Be filled with the Spirit (5:18-21)
6 Walk in harmony (5:22- 6:9)
a Harmony in the home (5:22- 6:4)
b Harmony on the job (6:5-9)
7 The Warfare of the Believer (Ch. 6)
a The exhortation (6:10)
b The enemy (6:10-13)
c The equipment (6:14-20)
Conclusion: (6:21-24)
I am still working on the alliteration
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The structure of the Epistle as a whole shows that the greater part is occupied with doctrine, one-half as it concerns our standing,and the rest as it affects our state. Thus showing that sound doctrine is both the foundation and the source of right practice.
The structure of the epistle as a whole:
(Introversion)
A - Eph 1:1,2 Epistolary, Salutation
B - Eph 1:3 - 3:19 Doctrinal. As to our standing
C - Eph 3:20,21 Doxology
B - Eph 4:1-6:20 Doctrinal. As to our state.
A - Eph 6:21-24 Epistolary. Benediction |
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Our pastor is doing a study on Sun am thru the book of Ephesians. He has entitled it climbing out of spiritual bankruptcy, discussing what we have in Jesus. Most Christians aren't aware of what we have. |
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If you are not getting spiritually fed, or if the leadership of the house is not in direct agreement or not acting according to the Word of God, then it't time to go. Nobody is perfect and there is no perfect church, but if there is no real leadership and integrity in the house, then it's time to go. Pray and ask God to lead you and guide you in your decision. |
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May Jesus show you the way to Love. |
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i need notes on all verses |
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explain the 3rd chapter of ephesians virses 1-21
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i need notes on all verses |
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explain the 3rd chapter of ephesians virses 1-21
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Try http://www.calvarychapel.com/simivalley/library_commentaries.html for online Bible Commentaries by David Guzik. Another good source is http://www.blueletterbible.org/commentaries.html
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i need notes on all verses |
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Is there an 'online' study guide |
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Is there an 'online' study guide for Ephesians?
I'm looking for a study guide that reflects the Baptist or Free Methodist doctrines. THANKS |
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Welcome to the Forum .............................
Dear Ontario,
I searched around on the web for a Free Methodist study guide for Ephesians, to no avail. However, if you have any specific questions, I would be glad to try to help you. I have been a member of the Free Methodist Church for many years, and am relatively well-versed in their history and perspectives. Once again, I'm glad that you have come to our forum, and I look forward to interacting with you in the future. |
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