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Bible general Archive 1
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TRINITY AS A WORD IS NOT IN THE BIBLE,HOWEVER THE IMPLICATION IS THERE FOR INSTANCE AT CHRISTS BAPTISM,AS HE WAS BAPTIZED THE FATHER IN HEAVEN SAID THIS IS MY SON IN WHOM IM WELL PLEASED,AND ALSO THE DOVE DECENDED,THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF HOLY SPIRIT.THE THREE ARE ONE.LOVE YOUR BROTHER IN CHRIST RC.SCROLL |
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Did Jesus cleanse the temple more than o |
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And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
Matt 21:12 (KJV)
And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;
And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple.
Mark 11:15-16 (KJV)
And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought;
Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Luke 19:45-46 (KJV)
And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
John 2:13-16 (KJV)
And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
John 2:13-16 (KJV)
And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
John 2:13-16 (KJV) These are all the same account, different people seeing same thing, so we have four diff points of veiw,if you put them all together they will give you a combined story revealing more information. love in Christ RCSCROLL P.S. only one time ,If you and I would see a car accident we would have diff info from a diff point of view.But both would be true.
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You are saved when you accept Christ . |
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John 3:5
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You are right, you must be baptized. It is a sacrament of forgivesness and rebirth. It is not a symbol. You are missing a key scripture verse. (John 3:5) where Jesus states: "Amen,amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and spirit."
Jesus is clearly talking about baptism in this verse. Read John 1:32 just before Jesus teaches Nicodemus about being born again. In this verse Christ, Himself was baptized by John the Baptist. Jesus goes down into the water and is baptized, the heavens open and the Holy Spirit descends upon him in the form of a dove. Christ did not have to be born again but He showed us what we must do in order to inherit the kingdom of God. The only logical conclusion one can make from the Biblical evidence is being born again is when one is properly baptized. The saving grace is baptism.
Do you really believe in the once saved always saved theory. Again look at scripture. Scripture does not say "ALL" you have to do is accept Me [Jesus] as your Lord and Savior then you are saved from damnation.
This is what the Bible says:
Past Event (I have been saved)
Rom 8:24-for in hope we were saved
Eph 2:5,8-by grace you have been saved through faith
2Tim 1:9-he saved us,called us, according to his grace
Tit 3:5 he saved us thru bath of rebirth, renewal by Holy Spirit
Present Process (I am being saved)
Phil 2:12 work out your salvation with fear and trembling
1 Pet 1:9 as you attain the goal of your faith,salvation
Future Event (I will be saved)
Mt 10:22 he who endures to the end will be saved
Mt24:13 he who preseveres to the end will be saved
Mk 8:35 whoever loses his life for my sake will save it
Acts 15:11 we shall be saved through the grace of Jesus
Rom5:9-10 since we are justified, we shall be saved
Rom 13:11 salvation is nearer now than first believed
1Cor3:15 he will be saved, but only as through fire
1Cor 5:5 deliver man to Satan so his spirit may be saved
Heb9:28 Jesus will appear second time, to bring salvation |
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Why was Christ baptized? |
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The Bible plainly says, "'I did not recognize Him, but so that He might be manifested to Israel, I came baptizing in water.' John testified saying, " I have seen the Spirit desending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ' He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.'
So, one reason, there may be more, was to let the forerunner know whom he was running for. (Is whom correct there?) |
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Why was Christ baptized? |
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Your absolutely right about that, I hadn't seen that in the passage, but I do believe that the remainder of the passage suggests that John, himself also realized who Jesus was after the baptism and descending of the Spirit, and I think the passage suggests that this was one reason for the baptism. Jn 1:32-34:
John testified saying, "I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. *I did not recongnize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom [you] see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit*. I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God."
[you] - I assume that this is John, yea or nay? |
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Why was Christ baptized? |
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One will notice that at the baptism of Jesus the Holy Spirit came upon Him-one has written "However, it is interesting to note John's record of John the Baptist's testimony: "I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him" (John 1:32). Leon Morris sees this as indicating that "the whole of Jesus' ministry is accomplished in the power of the Spirit." . . . The descent of the Spirit upon Jesus at His baptism was His inauguration into His messianic task rather than His inauguration into the messianic age. . . The baptism is itself the crucial turning point in which the Spirit leads Jesus from obscurity to prominence" |
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Following Moses' Laws |
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Matt 8:4
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In many places, Jesus commanded those He healed to follow the Jewish laws of offerings in regards to their healing. He emphasizes many times that we should follow the laws of Moses. Should we be doing this, even in this day? I don't know about you but I have never taken a lamb or a dove to my church as an offering. And during the woman's cycle when she is considered unclean, should she not go to church? Or after handling a dead body, should a person follow the rituals of purifying before entering the Lord's temple? The clean and unclean meats were done away with by Paul's dream, but what about the rest of the rules? |
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Dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible? |
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I have undergone a study on the Dinosaurs. What does the Bible say about them?
First, I want to make clear that I believe that the
earth is only thousands of years old, not millions
or billions. Second, I believe that God created the
earth in six 24-hour days (Exodus 20:11). I don't
expect you all to agree with me, and I would
appreciate you tellng me if you feel differently about
anything that I have come up with. Genesis 1:21-25
tells us that God created the animals (including the
Dinosaurs) and humankind on the sixth day. Man was
given the task to name these animals but Adam used
names like 'behemoth' and 'leviathan'. It is
conceivable that man and dinosaur lived on the earth
together right up to and after the great worldwide
flood. And Noah might have included a few smaller,
younger representatives of the dinosaurs in his Ark.
But many other kinds of plants and animals were lost
forever (Genesis 6:17). It is interesting to note
that animals began to fear men only after the flood
(Genesis 9:2-3)..
However, I am convinced that there was a drop in
temperature (Job 37:6-10, 38:22,29) in the earth after
the flood, which explains the existence of Antarctica,
the Glaciers and the Polar icecaps, (which was God's
way of dealing with the surplus of water that sprang
forth in Genesis 7:11) and this temperature change may
have contributed to the dinosaurs' disappearance upon
the earth. But they at least were around by the time
of Job, and the people of Job's time knew about
dinosaurs since dinosaurs are discribed in detail in
Job 40:15 to 41:34.
I do not believe that birds are direct descendants of
dinosaurs, since the Bible speaks of the migration of
the hawk (Job 39:26), the dove, stork, thrush and
swift (Jeremiah 8:7).. In other words, birds flew
across the earth from the beginning of time and they
are not the end result of any kind of evolution.
Also, Genesis 1:29-30 declares that all animals and
people began as plant eaters and the world was
entirely vegetarian at the beginning. But
eventually animals became carnivorous and people ate meat only
until after the flood (Genesis 9:3). It is
interesting to note that even though animals did
become carnivorous, they will return to a
nonagressive nature (Isaiah 11:6-7). So will we become
vegetarians in the future? :)
So did the dinosaurs breathe fire? Job 41 leads me to
believe that this may have been likely, which would
explain the source of "Fire Breathing Dragons"
stories. What about the Loch Ness monster? Maybe.
There are many underwater caverns that have not been
explored on this earth. I'm not ruling out the
possibility that all sea dwelling dinosaurs are extinct.
But I am strictly against evolution of any kind, since
Psalm 94:9 clearly states that God formed the ears and
the eyes. Romans 1:20 is interesting in this light-
that we are without excuse in wake of God's awesome
creation. Another water/fire parallel here, to
reflect back on the worldwide flood, is the second and
final judgment of the future in which the heavens and
the earth will be cleansed by fire! (2 Peter 3:10-12).
I believe that the world is a lot younger than
scientists think and that man and dinosaurs
co-existed at some point. I am still studying continental drift
and things of that nature.. I hope you enjoyed the
results of my study, and I wanted to share this with
you to provide a NON-evolution way of looking at
Dinosaurs.
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Should we be dishonest to make friends? |
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Luke 16:9
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I take this verse (Luke 16:9) to mean that God's people should be alert to make use of what God has given them. The NASB Study Bible says in its commentary that "By helping those in need, who in the future will show their gratitude when they welcome their benefactors into heaven ("eternal dwellings")".. Matthew 10:16 says that we should be "shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves" since we are "sheep in the midst of wolves". Verse 10 goes on to say, "He who is faithful in a very little thing is faithful also in much.." so if we can be faithful with 'unrighteous mammon' in bringing people to Christ, then we will have accomplished our mission (Matt. 28:19-20) indeed. Luke 16:9 captures the meaning of the parable of the Unrighteous Steward.
However, I believe that this kind of 'shrewdness' does not give us a license to sin in the midst of unbelievers. As for being shrewd with unbelievers, we must act in the spirit of Paul (Rom. 11:14, 1 Cor. 9:22). In 1 Corinthians 9:23 he says, "I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it." |
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Dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible? |
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Job 3:8
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I have undergone a study on the Dinosaurs. What does the Bible say about them?
First, I want to make clear that I believe that the
earth is only thousands of years old, not millions
or billions. Second, I believe that God created the
earth in six 24-hour days (Exodus 20:11). I don't
expect you all to agree with me, and I would
appreciate you tellng me if you feel differently about
anything that I have come up with. Genesis 1:21-25
tells us that God created the animals (including the
Dinosaurs) and humankind on the sixth day. Man was
given the task to name these animals but Adam used
names like 'behemoth' and 'leviathan'. It is
conceivable that man and dinosaur lived on the earth
together right up to and after the great worldwide
flood. And Noah might have included a few smaller,
younger representatives of the dinosaurs in his Ark.
But many other kinds of plants and animals were lost
forever (Genesis 6:17). It is interesting to note
that animals began to fear men only after the flood
(Genesis 9:2-3)..
However, I am convinced that there was a drop in
temperature (Job 37:6-10, 38:22,29) in the earth after
the flood, which explains the existence of Antarctica,
the Glaciers and the Polar icecaps, (which was God's
way of dealing with the surplus of water that sprang
forth in Genesis 7:11) and this temperature change may
have contributed to the dinosaurs' disappearance upon
the earth. But they at least were around by the time
of Job, and the people of Job's time knew about
dinosaurs since dinosaurs are discribed in detail in
Job 40:15 to 41:34.
I do not believe that birds are direct descendants of
dinosaurs, since the Bible speaks of the migration of
the hawk (Job 39:26), the dove, stork, thrush and
swift (Jeremiah 8:7).. In other words, birds flew
across the earth from the beginning of time and they
are not the end result of any kind of evolution.
Also, Genesis 1:29-30 declares that all animals and
people began as plant eaters and the world was
entirely vegetarian at the beginning. But
eventually animals became carnivorous and people ate meat only
until after the flood (Genesis 9:3). It is
interesting to note that even though animals did
become carnivorous, they will return to a
nonagressive nature (Isaiah 11:6-7). So will we become
vegetarians in the future? :)
So did the dinosaurs breathe fire? Job 41 leads me to
believe that this may have been likely, which would
explain the source of "Fire Breathing Dragons"
stories. What about the Loch Ness monster? Maybe.
There are many underwater caverns that have not been
explored on this earth. I'm not ruling out the
possibility that all sea dwelling dinosaurs are extinct.
But I am strictly against evolution of any kind, since
Psalm 94:9 clearly states that God formed the ears and
the eyes. Romans 1:20 is interesting in this light-
that we are without excuse in wake of God's awesome
creation. Another water/fire parallel here, to
reflect back on the worldwide flood, is the second and
final judgment of the future in which the heavens and
the earth will be cleansed by fire! (2 Peter 3:10-12).
I believe that the world is a lot younger than
scientists think and that man and dinosaurs
co-existed at some point. I am still studying continental drift
and things of that nature.. I hope you enjoyed the
results of my study, and I wanted to share this with
you to provide a NON-evolution way of looking at
Dinosaurs.
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Dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible? |
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Job 3:8
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Hi, Nolan. The Leviathan of Job 3:8, Psalm 104:26 and Isaiah 27:1 has been seen by some students of the Bible as possibly being of the dinosaur family. Beyond that, the best I can do is recommend a superb Web site that I believe you will find helpful and absorbing now that you're "in" to the creation story, the Noah's flood story and all the flora and fauna of that epoch. Try icr.org. I won't elaborate further except to say I recommend this organization without any reservation. They too believe in the young earth idea and, believe me, have lots and lots of good information on dinosaurs! If you want more on this organization, e-mail me by all means. Yours in Christ. --Hank |
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Are the Seven Deadly Sins in the Bible? |
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Prov 6:16
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Blessings brother Charis and peace! Say, I apologize if what I wrote made you think that your way of avoiding sin or understanding sin is 'shallow'! Your method is not shallow by any means since we must do all that we can to avoid sin! :) We must be as 'shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves' (Matt. 10:16). There is no 'wrong' way to avoid sin, except by taking your own life. And your way of looking at this question is not wrong at all. I was not trying to be critical of your thoughts, however 'deep' they may be, and I apologize if you took it that way. When I said 'dismissing as an afterthought', I meant that I disagreed with you that you might find it meaningless to dwell on this topic. That is all I meant by that. But I do value your thoughts! Please feel free to tell me how you feel. I will respect your input. As for philosophy, I had my first exposure to it at Indiana Wesleyan Univ where we would debate certain points of view and back it up using arguments from several philosophers. But I did not enjoy that class and found the greater portion of it as meaningless jargon that should not be dwelled on for any constructive use.. I apologize to any philosophy students out there! But to obtain a decent grade and pass the course (since it was a required class), I had to be fluent in several of the philosophers and I still have the books.. :) But the greatest teacher of all was Jesus Christ! And the single most edifying way to describe his love for us is to sing the simple song, "Jesus Loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so".. :)Blessings to you Charis, my brother in Christ! I'm sure that we will cross paths again in the forum and I look forward to reading your posts! |
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Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? |
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Is 9:6
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He is manifested in the way that you speak and He is One God. However, at the baptism of Christ, we see all three separated--the Father spoke from Heaven, the Son was baptized on Earth, and the Spirit descended upon Him like a dove. They are One, but, at times we see them separate. Do I understand this? Absolutely not!!!
God bless. |
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wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove |
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A friend of mine mentioned a phrase that she thought came from the Bible. I have not been able to find it to day, thought I'd see if you know if it is indeed a phrase from the Bible. The phrase is....wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! |
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wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove |
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Matt 10:16
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A friend of mine mentioned a phrase that she thought came from the Bible. I have not been able to find it to day, thought I'd see if you know if it is indeed a phrase from the Bible. The phrase is....wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! |
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wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove |
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Matt 10:16
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Matthew 10:16:
Jesus stated this to the disciples as He was sending them out "See, I am sending you out like sheep into the midst of wolves; so you must be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. |
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Which method of baptism Bible supported? |
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Bible general Archive 1
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Matthew 3:16 and Acts 8:38-39 do not mean immersion.
Did John the Baptist baptized in the Jordan River because there was much water there? The Bible speaks of the baptism of Jesus in Matthew 3:16: And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him.
Does this verse teach without question that Jesus went up out of the water, and, therefore, He must have been immersed? This verse does not speak of immersion. This verse says He went up out of the water. How must we understand this phrase? The Biblical rule is that we are to seek help from the Bible. Doing so, we come to Acts 8:38-39, where the Bible describes the water baptism of the Ethiopian eunuch. We read there: And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Notice that verse 39 speaks of coming up out of the water which is the very same phrase that describes Jesus going up out of the water. What does verse 38 say? It says, "they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch." Whatever action the eunuch took was an exact duplicate of that which Philip took. They both went down into the water. To make sure that we have not misunderstood, the emphasis is added, both Philip and the eunuch. Therefore, if going down into the water implies immersion, then we must conclude that Philip immersed himself at the same time he immersed the eunuch. Such a conclusion, of course, makes no sense. God is simply teaching that there was a body of water, and that Philip and the eunuch both went down the bank into the water. There they stood ankle deep or knee deep (how deep is altogether unimportant), and Philip baptized the eunuch. Later in our study, we will see that the Bible suggests the mode of baptism, and it will not be immersion.
Therefore, if going down into the water implies immersion, then we must conclude that Philip immersed himself at the same time he immersed the eunuch.
Jesus had to be ceremonially washed before He could do the work of the High Priest. He was not only the Lamb that was offered, but He was also the High Priest. Do you recall that the priests were ceremonially washed before they ministered at the altar. Exodus 30:18-21: Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.
The priests hands and feet were washed. That was the washing Jesus had to experience before ministering at the altar of sacrifice. Thus, we would not in any way expect that Jesus was immersed when He was baptized.
Read my Mark 7:4, Luke 11:38, Hebrews 9:10 post.
BTW this is a minor point.
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Why the number 7? |
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Bible general Archive 1
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There are many interesting facts concerning the number 'seven' or 7!
A week consists of 7 days (Gen. 2:3; Ex. 20:11; Deut. 5:13-14). Noah was in the ark seven days before the flood (Gen. 7:4,10), and remains in the ark seven days after sending forth the dove (Gen. 8:10,12). Mourning for Jacob lasted seven days (Gen. 50:10), and of Job (Job 2:13). The plague of bloody water in Egypt lasted 7 days (Ex. 7:25). The Israelites compassed Jericho for 7 days (Josh. 6:4). The passover lasted 7 days (Ex. 12:15). Saul was directed by Samuel to tarry at Gilgal for 7 days (1 Sam. 10:8; 13:8). The elders of Jabesh-gilead ask for a truce of 7 days (1 Sam. 11:3). Dedication of the temple lasted 7 days doubled (1 Kings 8:65). Ezekiel sits by the river Chebar in astonishment for 7 days (Ezek. 3:15). The feast of tabernacles lasted 7 days (Lev. 23:34,42). Consecration of priests and altars lasted 7 days (Ex. 29:30,35; Ezek. 43:25-26). Defilements lasted 7 days (Lev. 12:2; 13:4). Fasts of 7 days (1 Sam. 31:13; 2 Sam. 12:16,18,22). The firstborn of flocks and sheep shall remain with their mother for 7 days before being offered (Ex. 22:30). The feast of Ahasuerus continued for 7 days (Esther 1:5). Paul tarries at Tyre for 7 days (Acts 21:4) and at Puteoli (Acts 28:14).
Seven weeks in Daniel's vision concerning the Messiah (Dan. 9:25). Ten times 'seven' (Dan. 9:24). The period between Passover and the Pentecost is seven weeks (Lev. 23:15).
Seven months for holy convocations (Lev. 23:24-44; Num. 29; Ezek. 45:25).
Jacob serves for each of his wives for seven years (Gen. 29:15-30). Seven years of plenty (Gen. 41:1-32,53). Famine lasted in Egypt for 7 years (Gen. 41:1-32,54-56); in Canaan (2 Sam. 24:13; 2 Kings 8:1). Insanity of Nebuchadnezzar for seven years (Dan. 4:32). Seven times, the period between the jubilees (Lev. 25:8).
There are many more, prayon! The number '7' is well represented in the Bible! I remember doing this very same thing for the number '40' at one occasion.. :) It is interesting that this is my 666th post!
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"The Disciple's Prayer"? |
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Luke 11:2
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I will never forget my surprise when I heard a young lady (late twenties) refer to pastor as “dude”. I thought to myself where is the respect? However about a month later I heard her pray and then I knew. Her prayer started “Hey Dude”
There was no respect. To me that is just a little to familiar.
As to your statement of Holiness and the Catholic church. If Protestants could just have half the appreciation for Holiness that I see in the Catholic church I would be ecstatic. For years we have been fighting a battle to keep people from going behind the altar area in our church, especially kids. Most ignore all requests to stay out and to keep their children out and walk back there with seeming impunity. Our reason is the costly sound equipment and to some degree a lesson in holiness.
One day a Catholic man came to the church to look at something. He noticed the 3D painting of an open window looking out into the heavens with a cross and dove in the center. He rushed to view the mural until he got the altar rail and stopped instantly. He then turned to the Pastor and asked permission to continue back to get a closer look. See he respected the sanctity of the area from his training. Something no one has been able to get into the heads of the people that attend there.
Once when I was in a catholic bookstore nosing around, I notice one aisle marked “No Kids”. I assume it was where they kept their delicate things. Later I realized it was where they kept the communion vessels and other things that go on the altar. I heard the store owner warn a parent not to allow her child around the holy things. I then went to a Protestant Bookstore and notice two young girls playing with the communion trays as their mothers shopped elsewhere in the store. What a difference the Catholics wouldn’t even allow for the chance for that to happen and the Protestants didn’t seem to even notice.
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John 1:14
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Norrie it is a great explanation but it falls short. Unlike the Trinity a drop of water can not exist in all three states at the same time as the Trinity does. In Mark 1:8-11 we see Jesus, the Holy Spirit descending like a dove, and The Father’s voice saying “this is my Son in whom I am well pleased. Trying to explain the infinite to a finite mind of man is impossible. All our explanations fall short of the glory of God. We have to believe and accept by faith. |
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John 10:29
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Isa
You said when you asked the question, I responded to, that you weren’t questioning the trinity. Now you are attempting to do just that.
In answer to your question John 10:29. In the trinity God (the Father) is supreme to the Son (Jesus) however since the come together with the Holy Spirit to complete the Trinity they are one.
In John 10:9 Jesus refers to Himself as the Door or gate and you can only approach the Father through Him. God is holy we can not come into His presence in our sinful state. We need to be cleansed, Jesus provides the cleansing, hence to reach the Father we must pass through Jesus.
We must believe by faith. Do not lose yourself in things of God that are to wonderful to completely comprehend. Trust what you see. In Mark 1:8-11 we see all three aspects of the trinity. “Jesus being baptized, the Holy Spirit descending as a dove, and the father’s voice from heaven saying this is my son in whom I am well pleased.” Notice there was many witnesses present and if this were not true secular history would have recorded this attempted lie.
I know the Quran teaches Jesus was a great prophet, if that be true then we have to believe what Jesus said, as no great prophet would lie. He said “I and the Father are one.” John 10:30. Also note John 14:9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
Isa the God of the Christians offers forgiveness, love and acceptance. He doesn’t want to beat you down or weigh your life. He wants to love you and to have you love him. You do not have to fear Him but accept Him for what He is, the one that so loved you that He laid down his life for you. He does not hold a sword above your head ready to fall at any moment but rather he extends his arms to you.
Jesus die that you might live, that is why he calls Himself a door, a gateway, he is the door the gateway to life and life abundantly. God is not angry God wants you to come to Him as a child to a Father. He wants to love you and tell you your special to Him, so special He gave all that He had for you, Jesus gave His life.
Be blessed my friend!
Ed
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Where there trees just after the deluge |
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Genesis
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I've heard this explained in a variety of ways, but I am going to tell you what I understand about the account of Noah in Genesis.
The flood waters began during Noah's 600th year, 2nd month, on the 17th day. It rained for 40 days and nights. God then stopped the water and for the next 150 days (5 months) the waters were in the process of receding because of a strong wind that God sent to pass over the earth. [approximately 6.5 months covered here]
In the 7th month of Noah's 600th year (during that 150 days), on the 17th day, the ark rested on the mountains of Ararat. The ark was about 45 feet high, but only a portion of that would have been underwater. So in the seventh month of Noah's 600th year, the water was shallow enough that the ark found a resting place somewhere in the mountains of Ararat.
On the 1st day of the tenth month of Noah's 600th year, the tops of the mountains were visible (to Noah apparently). [7.5 months from day Flood started to here]
The conditions after the Flood were more than likely quite different than they are today. The earth would have been very fertile after all that "stirring up by the waters", and the climate was much better than today. (All recognizable by the long life-spans for several hundred years after the Flood.)
40 days after the mountain tops were visible, Noah sent out a raven and a dove. The dove returned, finding no rest ("manowach" meaning a quiet, settled spot or 'home'). (This would have been in the middle of the 11th month of Noah's 600th year)
7days later, Noah sent out another dove which returned with an olive leaf.
So if a seed germinated at the very end of the 9th month of Noah's 600th year (1st day of 10th month when Noah saw the mountain tops [dirt]), it would be very possible that in the 11.5 month of Noah's 600th year (1 and 1/2 months later) a "plant" would have grown from that seed, and had leaves on it's stalk, just as it would even today in that time-span.
So could an olive tree grow and produced at least one leaf in a month and a half? Yes. I would think even a shorter time than that. |
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Matt 10:16
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Our Lord warned his disciples to prepare for persecution. They were to avoid all things which gave advantage to their enemies, all meddling with worldly or political concerns, all appearance of evil or selfishness, and all underhand measures. Christ foretold troubles, not only that the troubles might not be a surprise, but that they might confirm their faith. He tells them what they should suffer, and from whom. Thus Christ has dealt fairly and faithfully with us, in telling us the worst we can meet with in his service; and he would have us deal so with ourselves, in sitting down and counting the cost. Persecutors are worse than beasts, in that they prey upon those of their own kind. The strongest bonds of love and duty, have often been broken through from enmity against Christ. Sufferings from friends and relations are very grievous; nothing cuts more. It appears plainly, that all who will live godly in Christ Jesus must suffer persecution; and we must expect to enter into the kingdom of God through many tribulations. With these predictions of trouble, are counsels and comforts for a time of trial. The disciples of Christ are hated and persecuted as serpents, and their ruin is sought, and they need the serpent's wisdom. Be ye harmless as doves. Not only, do nobody any hurt, but bear nobody any ill-will. Prudent care there must be, but not an anxious, perplexing thought; let this care be cast upon God. The disciples of Christ must think more how to do well, than how to speak well. In case of great peril, the disciples of Christ may go out of the way of danger, though they must not go out of the way of duty. No sinful, unlawful means may be used to escape; for then it is not a door of God's opening. The fear of man brings a snare, a perplexing snare, that disturbs our peace; an entangling snare, by which we are drawn into sin; and, therefore, it must be striven and prayed against. Tribulation, distress, and persecution cannot take away God's love to them, or theirs to him. Fear Him, who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. They must deliver their message publicly, for all are deeply concerned in the doctrine of the gospel. The whole counsel of God must be made known, Acts 20:27. Christ shows them why they should be of good cheer. Their sufferings witnessed against those who oppose his gospel. When God calls us to speak for him, we may depend on him to teach us what to say. A believing prospect of the end of our troubles, will be of great use to support us under them. They may be borne to the end, because the sufferers shall be borne up under them. The strength shall be according to the day. And it is great encouragement to those who are doing Christ's work, that it is a work which shall certainly be done. See how the care of Providence extends to all creatures, even to the sparrows. This should silence all the fears of God's people; Ye are of more value than many sparrows. And the very hairs of your head are all numbered. This denotes the account God takes and keeps of his people. It is our duty, not only to believe in Christ, but to profess that faith, in suffering for him, when we are called to it, as well as in serving him. That denial of Christ only is here meant which is persisted in, and that confession only can have the blessed recompence here promised, which is the real and constant language of faith and love. Religion is worth every thing; all who believe the truth of it, will come up to the price, and make every thing else yield to it. Christ will lead us through sufferings, to glory with him. Those are best prepared for the life to come, that sit most loose to this present life. Though the kindness done to Christ's disciples be ever so small, yet if there be occasion for it, and ability to do no more, it shall be accepted. Christ does not say that they deserve a reward; for we cannot merit any thing from the hand of God; but they shall receive a reward from the free gift of God. Let us boldly confess Christ, and show love to him in all things.lOVE YOUR BROTHER IN CHRIST,RC.Scroll
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Matt 10:16
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As far as WHERE to offer you a commentary, I can only point to what I'm about to write:
Jesus had just sent his disciples out into the world. He promised them that the road ahead of them would not be a smooth one ["I Am sending you out like sheep among wolves (10:16a, NIV)]. He then gives them a apparent paradox that dictates their mindset.
A serpent is the craftiest of all creations (Genesis 3:1). Jesus commanded the disciples to be shrewd, which is the exact opposite of gullible. We are commanded to test the spirits (1 John 4:1), to test everything and hold to the good (1 Thes. 5:21), and not to conform to the world so that our minds might be renewed (Romans 12:2). Peter best sums it up in 1 Peter 3:15: "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have."
On the other end of the stick, Jesus called us to be as innocent as doves. The first thing that comes to mind about doves is "peace." God is a God of peace (Romans 15:33, 1 Cor 14:33, Hebrews 13:20). We are commanded to not be angry with our brothers (Matt 5:22), to resist retaliation (Matt 5:39, 44), and not to worry (Matt 6:25). There are hundreds of other examples of peaceful lessons in the Gospel, but basically we are to edify the church and live a life pleasing to God (1 Cor 4:12, Romans 12:1).
Another verse that points to the mindset that Christians should have is 1 Cor 14:20: "Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults."
Hopefully this sheds a little light.
Shaun |
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Matt 10:16
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Matthew 10:16...
Here is Adam Clarke's Commentary on these verses..
"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves—He who is called to preach the Gospel is called to embrace a state of constant labor, and frequent suffering. He who gets ease and pleasure, in consequence of embracing the ministerial office, neither preaches the Gospel, nor is sent of God. If he did the work of an evangelist, wicked men and demons would both oppose him.
Wise (prudent) as serpents, and harmless as doves—This is a proverbial saying: so in Shir hashirim Rabba, fol. 16, “The holy blessed God said to the Israelites, Ye shall be towards me as upright as the doves; but, towards the Gentiles, as cunning as serpents.”
There is a beauty in this saying which is seldom observed. The serpent is represented as prudent to excess, being full of cunning, Genesis 3:1; 2 Corinthians 11:3; and the dove is simple, even to stupidity, Ho 7:11; but Jesus Christ corrects here the cunning of the serpent, by the simplicity of the dove; and the too great simplicity of the dove, by the cunning of the serpent. For a fine illustration of this text, see the account of the Boiga:—
“This species is remarkably beautiful, combining the richest colors of the finest gems with the splendor of burnished gold, mingled with dark brown shades, which contrast and heighten its brilliant ornaments. The whole under surface of the head and body is of a silver white, separated from the changing blue of the back by a golden chain on each side, the whole length of the body. This fine blue and silver, ornamented with gold, by no means give a full idea of the beautiful embroidery of the boiga. We must take in all the reflected tints of silver color, golden yellow, red, blue, green, and black, mingled, and changing in the most extraordinary and beautiful manner possible; so that, when about to change its skin, it seems studded with a mixed assemblage of diamonds, emeralds, topazes, sapphires, and rubies, under a thin transparent veil of bluish crystal. Thus, in the rich and torrid plains of India, where the most splendid gems abound, nature seems to have chosen to reunite them all, together with the noble metals, to adorn the brilliant robe of the boiga. This is one of the most slender of serpents in proportion to its length. The specimens in the royal collection, which exceed three feet in length, are hardly a few lines in diameter. The tail is almost as long as the body, and at the end is like a needle for fineness; yet it is sometimes flattened above, below, and on the two sides, rendering it in some measure square. From the delicacy of its form, its movements are necessarily extremely agile; so that, doubling itself up several times, it can spring to a considerable distance, with great swiftness. It can twine and twist itself, most readily, and nimbly, around trees or other such bodies; climbing, or descending, or suspending itself, with the utmost facility. The boiga feeds on small birds, which it swallows very easily, notwithstanding the small diameter of its body, in consequence of the great distensibility of its jaws, throat, and stomach, common to it with other serpents. It conceals itself under the foliage of trees, on purpose to surprise the small birds, and is said to attract them by a peculiar kind of whistling, to which the term of song has been applied; but we must consider this as an exaggeration, as its long divided tongue, and the conformation of its other organs of sound, are only adapted for producing a hiss, or species of simple whistle, instead of forming a melodious assemblage of tones. Yet, if nature has not reckoned the boiga among the songsters of the woods, it seems to possess a more perfect instinct than other serpents, joined to more agile movements, and more magnificent ornament.
“According to this representation, the boiga is not merely to be praised for its beauty, but may be said to fulfill the old maxim of combining the wisdom of the serpent with the harmlessness of the dove.” Cepede’s Hist. of Oviparous Quadrupeds and Serpents.
Instead of , harmless, or as the Etymol. Mag. defines it, without mixture of evil, the Cod. Bezae reads , simple—uncompounded,—so all the copies of the old Itala, the Vulgate, and the Latin fathers; hut this curious and explanatory reading is found in no other Greek MS."
I have many other detailed Commentaries on these verses, just let me know if you'd like them. You can also obtain a wealth of commentary on these verses at http://www.blueletterbible.org and at http://www.studylight.org/pref/ and at http://unbound.biola.edu/. These three websites can help you immensely in your studies!
--Nolan
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Are praise and worship different? |
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Ps 63:4
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From Sir Pent's forum profile:
You may be wondering about the meaning of my screen name.
In one perspective, I try to be chivalrous in my dealings.
There is also a second meaning, which combines the two words.
I would refer you to Matthew 10:16.
From Matthew 10:16 (KJV):
"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."
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Dinosaurs and the bible |
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Ps 104:26
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Greetings stompthedevil!
Good question, and a question that has not gone ignored by the members of this Forum! You can use the Search function at the right to help you (look up Job 40:15 or search for "Dinosaur").. Meanwhile, here are some posts that may help you:
Written by There:
"Job 40:15-24 "behemoth"
Job 41:1-34 "leviathan"
Job 41:12-22 spec. "fire breathing leviathan"
Psalms 68:30 "beast of the reeds"
Psalms 74:13 "sea serpent"
Psalms 74:14 "leviathan"
Psalms 104:26 "leviathan"
Isaiah 27:1 "leviathan"
Isaiah 30:6 "fiery flying serpent"
Lam. 4:3 "sea monster" (tanniyn)"
Written by Hank:
"The Leviathan of Job 3:8, Psalm 104:26 and Isaiah 27:1 has been seen by some students of the Bible as possibly being of the dinosaur family. Beyond that, the best I can do is recommend a superb Web site that I believe you will find helpful and absorbing now that you're "in" to the creation story, the Noah's flood story and all the flora and fauna of that epoch. Try icr.org. I won't elaborate further except to say I recommend this organization without any reservation. They too believe in the young earth idea and, believe me, have lots and lots of good information on dinosaurs! If you want more on this organization, e-mail me by all means. Yours in Christ. --Hank"
And by Nolan (me):
I have undergone a study on the Dinosaurs. What does the Bible say about them?
First, I want to make clear that I believe that the earth is only thousands of years old, not millions or billions. Second, I believe that God created the earth in six 24-hour days (Exodus 20:11). I don't expect you all to agree with me, and I would appreciate you tellng me if you feel differently about anything that I have come up with. Genesis 1:21-25 tells us that God created the animals(including the Dinosaurs) and humankind on the sixth day. Man was given the task to name these animals but Adam used names like 'behemoth' and 'leviathan'. It is conceivable that man and dinosaur lived on the earth together right up to and after the great worldwide flood. And Noah might have included a few smaller, younger representatives of the dinosaurs in his Ark.
But many other kinds of plants and animals were lost forever (Genesis 6:17). It is interesting to note that animals began to fear men only after the flood (Genesis 9:2-3)..
However, I am convinced that there was a drop in temperature (Job 37:6-10, 38:22,29) in the earth after the flood, which explains the existence of Antarctica, the Glaciers and the Polar icecaps, (which was God's way of dealing with the surplus of water that sprang forth in Genesis 7:11) and this temperature change may have contributed to the dinosaurs' disappearance upon the earth. But they at least were around by the time of Job, and the people of Job's time knew about dinosaurs since dinosaurs are discribed in detail in Job 40:15-41:34.
I do not believe that birds are direct descendants of dinosaurs, since the Bible speaks of the migration of the hawk (Job 39:26), the dove, stork, thrush and swift (Jeremiah 8:7).. In other words, birds flew across the earth from the beginning of time and they are not the end result of any kind of evolution.
Also, Genesis 1:29-30 declares that all animals and people began as plant eaters and the world was entirely vegetarian at the beginning. But eventually animals became carnivorous and people ate meat only until after the flood (Genesis 9:3). It is interesting to note that even though animals did become carnivorous, they will return to a nonagressive nature (Isaiah 11:6-7). So will we become vegetarians in the future? :)
So did the dinosaurs breathe fire? Job 41 leads me to believe that this may have been likely, which would explain the source of "Fire Breathing Dragons" stories. What about the Loch Ness monster? Maybe. There are many underwater caverns that have not been explored on this earth. I'm not ruling out the possibility that all sea dwelling dinosaurs are extinct.
But I am strictly against evolution of any kind, since Psalm 94:9 clearly states that God formed the ears and the eyes. Romans 1:20 is interesting in this light- that we are without excuse in wake of God's awesome creation. Another water/fire parallel here, to reflect back on the worldwide flood, is the second and final judgment of the future in which the heavens and the earth will be cleansed by fire! (2 Peter 3:10-12).
--Nolan |
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Is inter-racial marriage wrong? |
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Bible general Archive 1
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There were at least two different "kinds" of birds on the ark. A raven and a dove.
The encyclopedia says "according to structure, the class of birds is divided into groups called orders. These are divided into families, and familes into genera, each of which is made up of very closely similar species."
And I'm not positive, but I think most cats "could" breed with one another (just like dogs) because they are the same "kind", although they tend to be a bit prejudiced and seem to like only those who travel in their own special circles. :) |
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Does this passage mention Christ? |
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Matt 6:14
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Steve,
If you then go to Christ, then two observations must be made:
1) You have violated this passage. This passage says nothing about 'going to Christ'. According to this passage, this is not an option. No mention of Christ is made here whatsoever. God says to bring a lamb or goat. Granted, you do have the option of bringing two turtledoves, two pigeons or a tenth of an ephah of fine flour. But this passage makes no mention of any other offering being acceptable.
2) You cannot go to Christ. Christ is physically seated at the right hand of God. How can you get there? And how would you get your lamb, goat or other offering there?
If we go strictly by this passage, and throw out any future revelation of God's plan of grace and forgiveness, then you have violated this means of forgiveness, my friend. Can't you see how foolish it is to 'camp' on older revelation and not accept the newer? Matthew 6:14 is the same. You cannot say, 'If I don't forgive, then God won't forgive' and also say, 'God has forgiven all my sins.' They are mutually exclusive.
In Him, Bill Mc |
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