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Prerequisite-infallibility? |
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1 Cor 12:27
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Dear Tim, Nolan, and saints, I have asked this question before, but here goes. If the 'office' of apostle and prophet are no longer active, why do we still have the 'office' of pastor, evangelist, teacher?
It is late, so my mind may not be so sharp...but where in the Bible does it say that the prerequisite for apostles and prophets is that they must provide *new* revelation? For that matter, where in the Bible is the prerequisite that these ministers must be infallible? Not all apostles and prophets wrotes books of the Bible. (Thomas, Philip, Bartholomew, etc.) Some of the saints that did write books were not identified as apostles or prophets. (Dr. Luke, John Mark, Jude) None of them were infallible. So why must a present-day minister be made to fulfil these requirements?
Martin Luther showed a *new thing* to the church, something called 'grace.' Somtimes things are called *new* after they have been lost for a while. Apparently, the church has lost quite a few things, and the ministerial gifts are there to help find them. I am not sure that I understand 'not offices, but gifts.' This is too complicated to be of God, IMHO.
I must say that it sounds as if 'church-planters,' missionaries, and appliers of God's Word are SCC (second class citizens) Why must we give so much glory to men who were simply obedient to God, and deny bona fide status to present-day ministers doing the same thing? With all due respect, this sounds like beatification to me.
I look forward to answers.
In Christ Jesus, charis |
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When and by who was 'James' written? |
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James 1:1
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Mel,
"James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ" could be one of four men named James:
1.James, one of the twelve original apostles - Matthew 10:2
a. He was the son of Zebedee, brother of John, one of the most prominent of the apostles.
b. He had been a fisherman before Christ called him to be a disciple. Matthew 4:21-22
c. He could not have been the author of this epistle because Herod killed him early in the church's history. Acts 12:1-2
2.James, the son of Alphaeus, another of the original apostles - Matthew 10:3
a. Like Bartholomew and Thaddeus, he was one of the more obscure apostles.
b. His mother's name was Mary. He was also called "James the less (Mark 15:40
c. There is nothing to indicate that he is the author.
3.James, the brother of Judas (the apostle, not Iscariot) - Luke 6:16
a. These were common names, not to be confused with James and Judas, the half-brothers of Jesus.
b. We know absolutely nothing of this man, and it is doubtful that he is the author.
4.James, the half-brother of Jesus - Matthew 13:55
a. He was not a believer in Christ during the years of our Lord's ministry. John 7:2-5
b. Christ visited him after the resurrection, an event that apparently led to his conversion. 1 Corinthians 15:7
c. He became the pastor of the Jerusalem church. Acts 12:17; 15:13; 21:18
d. Many (most) believe that he is the author of this epistle.
Or he could of been another James.
Each scholar has their reason for citing their reason; hopefully they use the Bible -- the most accurate information.
Steve
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Jesus changing the names of disciples? |
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Mark 3:16
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ren333, Simon's name was changed to Peter (Matt 10:23, Mark 3:16, Luke 6:13), the only name the Bible says He changed ... Bartholomew must be Nathanel (John 1:45), Levi (Mark 2:14) and Matthew are the same man, Thaddeeus in Mark's list in Judas, son of James in the others.
The latter three may not of had a name change ... but, when someone changes your name, they do have the authority to do it and they want a name that fits you. Names are supposed to describe something about you. That is why He changed Simon's name; Peter (rock) fit better.
Hope this is what you were looking for,
Steve |
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Read the full length note. |
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Bible general Archive 1
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I am agree with mike, if once save is always save, can you tell me that Judas is save? Judas has given even power to heal as one of the desciples:
Mt 10:1
¶ And when he had called unto him his twelve
disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits,
to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness
and all manner of disease.
Mt 10:2
Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The
first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his
brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his
brother;
Mt 10:3
Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the
publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus,
whose surname was Thaddaeus;
Mt 10:4
Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also
betrayed him.
Mt 10:5
¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded
them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and
into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
But Judas fall to hand of satan.
Apostle paul also told us to work out our own salvation:
Php 2:12
¶ Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed,
not as in my presence only, but now much more in
my absence, work out your own salvation with fear
and trembling.
Meaning we have to be wathcfull beacuse satan is like a roaring lion:
1Pe 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the
devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom
he may devour
Peter talking to his brethren, He warn them to be vigilant so meaning there chance to fall.
Here in our country too many congregation that has that kind of believed. But sometimes they ex-cummunicate some of thier members for some terrible reasons. If save is always save, how could you ex-communicate a save person?
God bless,
Johnny
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"ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! |
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Matt 22:37
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I do not believed in "Once save always save".
It was happened to Judas. He is one of the twelve but then fall.:
Mt 10:1
¶ And when he had called unto him his twelve
disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits,
to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness
and all manner of disease.
1. MHCC
Mt 10:2
Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The
first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his
brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his
brother;
Mt 10:3
Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the
publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus,
whose surname was Thaddaeus;
Mt 10:4
Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also
betrayed him.
Mt 10:5
¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded
them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and
into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mt 10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mt 10:7
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven
is at hand.
Mt 10:8
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast
out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
If it is happened to him to fall, it can happen to anyone if we are not be vigilant:
1Pe 5:8
¶ Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the
devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom
he may devour:
If once save is always save, why be vigilant? why Peter warn us that devil is like a roaring lion? walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Meaning there are chance of falling.
I before belongs to the congregation that has that believed "Once Save is Always Save" but we have backslider we have members that back to thier habit and worsen than before. We do ex-communicated members because of some terrible situations. If Once Save id always save? how could church ex-communicates members.
Man had freed in his past life can be worsen if He is not being vigilant and watchfull:
Lu 11:24
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he
walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding
none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I
came out.
Lu 11:25
And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and
garnished.
Lu 11:26
Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits
more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell
there: and the last state of that man is worse than the
first.
God bless,
Johnny
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