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Is a church not founded upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets as stated in Eph. 2:20 really a church?
Does 2 Tim 3:5 mean we who believe the Holy Spirit is still active today should not fellowship with those who teach the casting out of demons and healing the sick stopped when the original apostles died? |
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do churches need to be founded by an apo |
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Christian churches are to be founded on the teachings of the Apostles. The Lord Jesus commanded the apostles to teach and preach what He taught them. In the case of the Apostle Paul he was given grace to know the mystery of a new humanity made up of Jew and Gentiles (Eph.3)
In 2 Tim.3:5 the apostle Paul is describing what it will be like in the last days.
Should Christian fellowship with those who believe ministers should cast out demons and lay hands on the sick? The Cross of Christ should be our focus of our preaching and teaching and not the casting out of demons and physical health. Once again look over the Bible and one will see that Christ Jesus is the focus and not the casting out of demons or physical healing. We should attend churches where the whole counsel of God (the Bible) is preached and taught. |
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My question was should people who believe in casting out devils and healing the sick have fellowship with those who do not? I believe if we are true to the gospel these signs will follow our preaching of the gospel of Jesus christ. If these signs are not present we are not even accomplishing salvation for the people attending because we are obviously preaching "another gospel" without power or truth. That is a gospel of antichrist and what fellowship does light have with darkness? |
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bro bob,
In reference to "what fellowhsip does light have with darkness", I would ask if you believe light refers to those who are the redeemed of the Lord and dark refers to those who are not. If you believe this (and I certainly hope you do), then the comparison is intimate fellowship believers have with unbelievers to the point believers are influenced by unbelievers into thinking and acting like unbelievers. Scripture nowhere forbids Christians from having fellowship with other Christians except in the case Paul mentions in the Corinthian church. If one thinks they should be exhibiting the actions of the Apostles, then I would also demand them to raise the dead since the Apostle did that also. Have you done this? JohnnyRay49423 is correct in placing our emphases on Jesus instead of ourselves. Signs and Wonders we do (or fake doing) are not the gospel and nowhere did the Apostles teach such.
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Sam, If I can get to someone before they are hauled off to the morgue, I will raise them up. If someone dies during my services I will raise them from the dead by the resurrection power of Jesus' name. Have you cast out demons or healed the sick in your ministry of church? I do these things in Jesus' name each time/week as we come together to worship. Any church that does not is not a true church it is jusdt a place to go spend time on Sundays as the power of the Gospel is denied. bro. bob |
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Sam, If I can get to someone before they are hauled off to the morgue, I will raise them up. If someone dies during my services I will raise them from the dead by the resurrection power of Jesus' name. Have you cast out demons or healed the sick in your ministry of church? I do these things in Jesus' name each time/week as we come together to worship. Any church that does not is not a true church it is jusdt a place to go spend time on Sundays as the power of the Gospel is denied. bro. bob |
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clear conscience |
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I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW TAKEN FROM THE SCRIPTURE GIVEN 2TIM 1:3 HOW DOES A MINISTER KEEP A CLEAR CONSCIENCE AND WHY IS IT IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO HAVE A CLEAR CONSCIENCE?? THANK YOU! |
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clear conscience |
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In answering this question, one should review 1 Timothy 3 and see the importance of why a leader, or minister, should be 'above reproach' or keep a clear conscience. How does a minister keep a clear conscience? How does anyone keep a clear conscience for that matter? We should review Galatians 5:16-26 to answer these questions of attempting to keep a 'clear conscience'. Why is it important to have a clear conscience? The Lord loves the righteous (Psalm 146:8), and the righteous will flourish (Proverbs 11:28). Most importantly, the righteous will inherit eternal life with Jesus Christ our Lord! (Matt. 25:46). These are some of the reasons to show the importance of living with a clear conscience. |
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clear conscience |
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Thank you , and I do agree with the answer, Thank you so much. if you have any further help on that subject please let me know. I will read the scriptures that you suggested. what is your definition of conscience? |
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You're very welcome, love4Him! Sure, I will let you know if I come up with any further Scripture on how or why we should be blameless. :-) What is my definition of conscience? Good question! We should look at Proverbs 20:27 for that one. It says here something about 'a spirit' of a man and 'all the innermost parts of his being'.. I believe that the conscience is that part of you that tells you when you are wrong and when you are right! It is always honest with you and never lies to you, since it knows who you really are! In short, I believe that your conscience is the Holy Spirit speaking to you in small ways and sometimes obvious ways. It tells you when you are going wrong, it helps to keep your paths straight and your eyes on Jesus! And your conscience is fed and grows every time you open your Bible and live the words of life and Truth! Living a pure, holy life is better than any earthly treasure, even better than your favorite food! And it is a blessing that produces a well spring of joy for all of your days, as long as you listen to your conscience! I'm happy to meet someone who has a 'love4Him' as I do! :) Blessings, Nolan! |
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Welcome to the Study Bible Forum, love4Him! I pray that you will find this as a resource that is both interesting and rewarding. God bless! Nolan |
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I do and I am always wanting to do His will and I am constantly dying to myself and the flesh. I think that if we abide in Him and keep our eyes on Him then that inner man or conscience will let me know when I do right or wrong. Thank you for your imput, I am new on here and I have gotten some very good responses to my question Thanks to all! |
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Thank you I am currently going to bible school and sometimes I just need a spingboard to get started on some of my work and then I pray and seek God and He will then give me the direction that I should go in. It has been rewarding already and very helpful. Thanks! |
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You're welcome! Wow! I pray that your Bible school goes very well for you and that you do your best! If you have any questions at all, then I invite you to come back to the Study Bible Forum and ask them (or 'search' for them) so that you can find help with your schoolwork! May all the blessings of our Lord follow you in all your paths! In His Precious Name, Nolan! |
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Thanks have a good evening and a great day in the House of the Lord tomorrow everyone!!! |
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why men struggle - being head of house |
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why do so many men have a hard time with the man being the Head of the House |
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why men struggle - being head of house |
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THE REASON I THINK MEN HAVE A HARD TIME BEING HEAD OF THE HOUSEHOLD, IS BECAUSE OF A NUMBER OF REASONS, HOWEVER I THINK FOR THE MOST PART MEN HAVE A HARDER TIME AT RUNNING THEIR HOMES BECAUSE THEY AREN'T SEEKING GOD IN DIRECTION. A MAN HAS TO BE ABLE TO NOT ONLY SAY " HEY IM THE MAN OF THE HOUSE,BUT HE HAS TO ALSO BE AN EXAMPLE IN THE HOUSE BY BEING IN THE LORD. BY LETTING HIS FAMILY HEAR, AS WELL AS SEE HIS LIGHT SHINE BY THE GRACE OF GOD, HE HAS TO LET HIS FAMILY SEE HIM GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE LORD AND TO SEE HIM PRAY UNTO THE LORD THY GOD. |
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why men struggle - being head of house |
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Sarah, questions, answers, and notes all are welcome and you are welcomed to the forum. Please, however, if you will, in subsequent posts, avoid using all upper-case letters. They tend to make for difficult reading and are the web equivalent of shouting. Don't mean to carp; just a kindly suggestion. --Hank |
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why men struggle - being head of house |
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Thank You Hank. I had know idea about the caps. God bless you always. Sarah. |
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why men struggle - being head of house |
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Unfortuantely, I think it is in large part because of the culture we live in. As we drift away from the Bible and God being the focus, we replace our focus with "me". Women think of submission as being unequal and don't understand the importance of the role as "helpmeet". So their is a striving for control. Men don't take on the role as spiritual head of house and if they heard that they were head of the house, they don't understand the biblical function of the head of house. If both of these roles are understood before marriage, a lot of problems would not crop up. This does not apply to all men and women, understand, but those that do not have solid biblical knowledge of the plan of God for the family.
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I recently read Maximized Manhood by Dr. Edwin Louis Cole. Wow, what a change in my marriage. Once my wife realized, by reading the book, that I was attempting to become the spiritual head (priest) of our family and not trying to be a dictator she supported the idea in full. The change in our level of communication has been astounding and has led to our nightly Bible study and prayer together. One interesting thing I have noticed is that since I have put myself in this position I have a renewed hunger for understanding of the Word and have felt the need to pray for guidance often as I feel I have taken on a sacred responsibility. |
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What is the Bible for? |
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In another thread, I was asked, more or less, what my views on the Bible are. I had unwittlngly offended several people with my statements about the Bible. If I'm going to offend people, I'd like to at least be sure that they're offended by what I really think, not by a mistaken impression. ;-)
In that thread, I often referred to 2 Timothy 3:15-17 - "15 ... you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." [NKJV]
I love the Bible and I read and study it regularly. But I don't love it for itself. So let me sum up my view of the Bible. I apologize in advance for any further offense I may give.
I believe that, having created us and knowing us intimately, God desires us to also know him and to spend eternity in fellowship with him. Because of the Fall, our only means to that end is Jesus, foretold in Genesis 3:15. It appears that early people (Enoch, Noah, Job, Melchizedek, Abraham, and others) received instruction in righteousness directly from God. After the Exodus, instruction was given to Israel through the Law (and, had they been faithful, to the world through their example). Further instruction is revealed in the history of Israel and Judah, the prophets, and the wisdom literature.
Throughout OT times people failed to live up to the instructions and so failed to achieve the righteousness required by God for fellowship with him. But as the book of Hebrews tells us, God's grace was active even then. For the faithful, their faith was "credited to them as righteousness". When Jesus came to Earth, the object of that faith was revealed and God's grace was fully disclosed in him. In addition to the accumulated instruction in the OT, instruction in righteousness is now given in the example of Jesus' life, in the gospels and epistles, and in God's law written upon our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33).
I believe that the Bible is God's progressive revelation of his character, holiness, and grace, given for the purpose of leading those who will believe and obey to that final reconciliation through Christ. The Bible is absolutely authoritative in matters of faith and practice. The Bible informs our faith so that we can have a right relationship with God. It informs us of how to live our faith so that we can have a right relationship with other believers and with the world.
I believe that this purpose is revealed in the passage cited above. Please note the word "complete" in verse 17; there is no part of our lives that is not subject to this instruction. This is how Jesus used scripture.
Of course, the Bible often provides comfort, encouragement, advice, hope, even ammunition for theological discussions. But those things flow from God's faithfulness, mercy, love, power, and other aspects of his character. Knowledge of those attributes and the response this knowledge elicits within us still fall under the purpose described in the passage.
I suppose I'd better duck now.
Peace and grace,
Steve
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Sounds good to me.
My only question would be about the way we are to become right with God. Would it be by following His instruction or by the imputed righteousness of Christ applied to us?
I bring this up because of your statement: "instruction in righteousness is now given in the example of Jesus' life, in the gospels and epistles, and in God's law written upon our hearts"
I hope you do not mean to say that we are made right with God by the exercise of our own righteousness, do you?
Other than that, I don't see anything offensive about your statement at all. In fact, I found it to be a very good statement and quite a refreshing, clear perspective on the Bible!
-- waldo garcia
www.choosecalvinism.org
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Hi, Waldo;
Thanks for your comments.
No, I should have said that none of us - OT times, NT times, or present time - can achieve by our own efforts the righteousness that God requires. Then as now, faith is the only means. Then as now, God's law convicts us of our shortcomings and shows us our need for a savior. I'm glad you gave me the opportunity to clarify that.
Peace and grace,
Steve |
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Steve: This is what I believe about the Scriptures.
The Scriptures
The Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy. It reveals the principles by which God judges us, and therefore is, and will remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and religious opinions should be tried. All Scripture is a testimony to Christ, who is Himself the focus of divine revelation.
Exodus 24:4; Deuteronomy 4:1-2; 17:19; Joshua 8:34; Psalms 19:7-10; 119:11,89,105,140; Isaiah 34:16; 40:8; Jeremiah 15:16; 36:1-32; Matthew 5:17-18; 22:29; Luke 21:33; 24:44-46; John 5:39; 16:13-15; 17:17; Acts 2:16ff.; 17:11; Romans 15:4; 16:25-26; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Hebrews 1:1-2; 4:12; 1 Peter 1:25; 2 Peter 1:19-21.
Grace to you,
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Hi, Kalos;
Thanks for your excellent statement - much shorter than mine. I think we agree that the Bible is utterly authoritative in all matters related to 3:15-17. As I read them, all of the references you provided confirm that the law, the prophets, and the scriptures as a whole serve the purposes detailed in that passage - to point people to Christ, to train believers in righteousness, and to complete and prepare the faithful for every good work.
Where some may disagree with me is my belief that the Bible is more open to interpretation in other matters. The basis for this belief is (1) the fact that the Bible doesn't claim authority for itself in any other areas and (2) Jesus used scripture only for those same purposes - to point to himself, to train his followers in righteousness, and to prepare his followers for good works.
One of your references was particularly interesting - John 5:39: "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me." [NKJV] I have encountered Christians - not necessarily on this forum - who are so devoted to the Bible that they seem to have lost track of the one it testifies to.
Peace and grace,
Steve |
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what is the book of 2 timothy is about? |
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what is the book of 2 timothy is about? |
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what is the book of 2 timothy is about? |
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Greetings again, jessel*gall!
"CONTENTS The theme may be taken from 2:3, "a good soldier of Christ Jesus." (1)
Blessings to you,
Nolan
Source: (1) Ryrie Study Bible Expanded Edition, copyright 1995 The Moody Bible Institute of Chicago, Charles Caldwell Ryrie, Th. D., Ph. D. [Taken from the introduction to 2 Timothy] |
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A new, clear conscience |
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2 Tim 1:3
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How does a minister keep a clear conscience and why is it important; especially when we see the lists at lst Timothy 3:2 or 2nd Timothy 2:24. |
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A new, clear conscience |
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We are all ministers to this world of the Truth that has apprehended us! After reading 1 Timothy 3:2 and 2 Timothy 2:24, we see that it is commanded that a minister, or leader, should keep a clear conscience and live 'about reproach'. This person is the leader, or shepherd, of the congregation, and they must have a clear conscience within themselves to remain effective through an example of holiness within their calling. It is very important that our ministers or leaders live a life of holiness, since they are God's chosen servants that are being used by Him to strengthen His church on a regular basis. God is working through them to reach His 'flock', and God must be working through 'clear reception' (that is, through a servant who has a clear conscience) so that His message can get through without any distractions or static. If a minister or leader does not have a clear conscience, then there are some issues in the life of that leader that need to be dealt with before he takes on the responsibilities of shepherding a flock. No one is perfect, but repentance and forgiveness wipes the slate clean every time. How does a minister keep a clear conscience? How does anyone keep a clear conscience for that matter? The sins that we commit are the sins that are common to any man, regardless of your esteemed position in the church. Therefore, one can learn and seek after the attributes mentioned in Galations 5:16-26, which include the fruits of the spirit. Also, we must reference Ephesians 6:10-20, where we are told to 'put on the full armor of God'. By living for these attributes, we can strive for a life of holiness and blamelessness. This goes for ministers, too. |
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