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records of unlawful entry into veil? |
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2 Chronicles
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Are there any records of men unlawfully entering the Holy of Holies in the tabernacle? If so, who and where is it documented in the Bible? |
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records of unlawful entry into veil? |
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2 Chronicles
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2 Chronicles 36 talks about the Babylonians ransacking the House of the Lord. |
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Ideas: Marking the inductive study way? |
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2 Chr 1:10
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Question for anyone who's using the inductive study method taught by Precept
Ministries (Kay Arthur):
I'm having somewhat of a challenge coming up with distinctive ways to mark
certain key words and phrases. The New Inductive Study Bible and Precept offer fine examples for marking a few words but nothing complete for words
identified throughout a study; e.g., "wisdom", "knowledge", and "all" (when referring to completeness or totality). Running out of ideas here so any suggestions are welcome.
In His Service,
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John
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Ideas: Marking the inductive study way? |
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2 Chr 1:10
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Scripture ... 2Ch 1:10-12; Ecc 7:12; Dan 1:4; Rom 11:33; Col 2:3 ...
John, greetings
I have included verses that have both "wisdom" and "knowledge". I used the Get Bible Text search on this site.
Go to http://bible.crosswalk.com/ ... type in knowledge (or your desired word, phrase or passage) select the version you want and check Include Study Tools.
You'll get Concordances, Dictionaries and Lexicons (Hebrew and Greek words), as well as all the verses.
This is one source.
Hope this helps,
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John
If I understand your question your having a hard time coming with symbols to identify words like Wisdom, Knowledge and 'all'. May I suggest using a lightbulb similar to Ford's better idea for wisdom. And open book for knowledge and a sphere with a crooked line dividing it showing it was united or completeness.
If you look for a listing of international symbols (signage) and in some young children's idea and concept books you will find many figures that you can use in the your "inductive" study.
If you get stumped just list the problems and I'll let you know what I use.
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2 Chr 1:10
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Ed,
Thank you for your answer. I eventually came up with a way to mark a couple of the words:
Wisdom: a handheld lantern colored yellow (like the wise virgins' lamps)
Knowlege: an apple, which has traditionally signified "knowlege" in the education field.
Mystery: a red question mark on top of the word.
Still coming up with new ones all the time.
John |
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John
Hey those aren't bad! In fact I may steal a few.
Stay diligent in your study!
EdB |
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Which mountain or the same mountain? |
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2 Chr 3:1
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In 2 Chronicles 3:1, is this the same Mount Moriah in Gen. 22:2,14 where Abraham was commanded to offer Isaac as a sacrifice? Also, I find it interesting to note that David wept on the Mount of Olives (2 Sam. 15:30), the same place where Christ dwelt (Matt. 5) and where Gethsemane is located (Mark 14:32). |
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Which mountain or the same mountain? |
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2 Chr 3:1
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Yes, it is the same mountain. And the Mount of Olives is the same one as in the Old Testament as well. For more parallelism, note that Adam fell in a garden, Eden, and Christ atoned in a garden (probable location of Golgotha). Also, the atonement sacrifice was sent outside the camp, and Christ was crucified outside the city. The entire Old Testament shouts out the gospel. |
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Which mountain or the same mountain? |
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Orthodoxy, isn't that fascinating! Studying the Bible seriously reaps plenty of rewards! Thank you for your reply. Blessings, Nolan |
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Were there cobwebs in the Holy of Holies |
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2 Chr 3:8
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Were there cobwebs in the Holy of Holies?
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Were there cobwebs in the Holy of Holies |
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Greetings Orintex,
Not likely, if it was kept up by a priest and outlined in gold.
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satan as gods agent |
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2 Chr 6:30
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How does Satan act as gods agent in the book of job.. |
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satan as gods agent |
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2 Chr 6:30
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First of all Satan was not and is not Gods agent. You speak as if you think God used Satan to torcher Job when this was no the case at all. God knows the hearts of all men and allowed Satan to do those things to Job to show him that he would not win the battle. It got so bad for Job that his own wife said to him "why don't you just curse God and die". This of course did not happen and God give him back all that he had lost plus. God knows the hearts of men. Satan does not work for God.
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The Answer |
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2 Chr 7:14
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I found The Answer to the world's problems. How could I be such a dolt? It was staring me in the face for two days before I saw it...and it's Monday already, ugh.
Saturday morning our neighbor, an elderly bible-believing woman, showed up at our front door. She spoke briefly to one of my sons. I didn't know it at the time but she had already given The Answer to my 13 year old son Joshua.
The Answer hasn't gone as deep as she intended it to with him. But she did it. It was the right thing to do. Joshua needed The Answer. I needed it. We all need it. I'm holding it in my hand now.
Back to the front door. By the time I got to there she was rattling on about the other children. Then Joshua walked away. So I'm standing there with her and stumbling into a conversation about her health (always a good topic with the elderly) and our mutual bodily woes. I didn't think much about why she was there. I guess I thought it was just a neighborly visit since she stops by with goodies now and then. We ended our conversation, bid one another a good day and then I went back to the laundry. I totally forgot about the incident.
Later in the day my wife gave it to me. It was a 5.5 x 8.5 pastel green note our neighbor had written and given to Joshua before I got to the door. And there it was. The Answer. It read as follows:
9-22-01
Dear Joshua:
My face is RED because I LIED to you yesterday when you asked if we had a tire pump. I said, "No," but we do have one. God showed me my Black (picture of a heart). I am sorry.
Now, please forgive me for lying to you (God hates lies!). If you need to pump up your tires you may use our pump in our drive way.
Sincerely,
Mrs. Tyner
This is the frightening part. I don't know if I have the courage to go through with what she started.
"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14 |
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God's people's land? |
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Dear Leabeater,
God's Old Testament people had a land to which this verse applied, but do his New Testament people have a land? How can this verse be applied today?
Peace,
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God's people's land? |
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Lionstrong, Israel is God's people, still. It is not the US, UK or anyone else. Steve |
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Dear Steve, ......... ¶ All believers in the Lord Jesus are the people of God. Not all physical Israel is Israel. Only those who have the faith of Abraham are the children of Abraham and the people of God. ........ ¶ Rom 4:11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them,
Rom 4:12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. ......... ¶2 Cor 6:16 Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said,
"I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM;
AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. .........
¶ Acts 15:14 "Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name. ....... ¶ Rom 9:6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; .......... ¶ Gal 6:16 And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God. Paul recognizes all believers as the Israel, the people, of God. ............ ¶ Peace, Lionstrong
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Lionstrong, Yes we are God's people, as believers. However, the context of this passage is about Israel. Steve
PS If you want you can apply all that is going to happen to Israel in the future, including the "bad" stuff.
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God's people's land? |
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2 Chr 7:14
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Your reply belies your objection. You understand something of the Old Testament. Why? If the Old Testament is narrowly confined to a national/racial/ethnic group then why do you read it?
If our approach to the Bible is overly compartmentalized then we find ourselves questioning doctrines such as the blood atonement (without faith in which no man is saved whether ancient or modern).
1 John 3:4 is New Testament doctrine, "...sin is the transgression of the law." Do we relegate the law to only the Old Testament? No. We are not "to die to the law" (Rom. 7:4) with our regard to its moral demands. We are dead to the law's lorship over us and remarried to the Lord of that law, Jesus Christ, who bore the penalties of that law (Rom. 7:1-7).
Speaking of Old Testament law breakers Paul admonishes, "Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction..." 1 Cor. 10:9. Our instruction? Will we object, "But Paul, those were Old Testament Israelites"?
Yes, Israel is not the church. But even this distinction, if overly drawn, is frought with hermaneutical hazards which I am not willing to cross.
"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;" 2 Tim. 3:16.
I looked up the word "All" in Greek. It means "all."
So, to answer your question directly, yes. The historical context was to Israel dwelling in Israel. But the semantic meaning far transcends its immediate historical parameters and gives to God's people today a hope that provides guidance to our present national crisis. |
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Dear Mr. Leabeater,
You are correct, the question does expose my objection. After one hears the verse quoted a million times by Christian Americans, one finally begins to think about it. But my objection is not based on a view that the laws and principles of OT are irrelevant. All Scripture is profitable. My objection is based on the fact that God’s people (the church) are dispersed among many nations, many lands, of the world. In the OT we occupied one only. So, no doubt the verse has application today, but how, since we don’t occupy just one land? Which land is ours such that God may heal it?
Incidentally, not being a dispensationalist, I believe the OT people of God were the church.
And welcome to the Study Bible Forum.
Peace,
Lionstrong |
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God's people's land? |
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Dear Steve,
Since the passage is about God's people, it has application to God's people today.
Peace,
Lionstrong |
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God's people's land? |
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Lionstrong, The context of the passage is the Lord appearing to Solomon after the dedication of the Temple.
Verse 13 ... has there been no rain?
Verse 14 ... do the Christians have a land?
Verse 15 ... are we in Jerusalem or the Temple?
Verse 16 ... has God consentrated a place in the US?
-- I say no to all the questions. This passage does not apply to the US or Christians?
Steve |
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God's people's land? |
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My hermaneutic: follow a literal (when possible), contextual and historical interpretation of a passage.
If the "rules" of language are followed, and we entertain no bias, we can consistently claim nearly any promise given to God's people in the Old Testament as applicable to His people at any time in history.
To object that "land" has a highly specified, contextualized meaning whenever it was used in the Old Testament is difficult to maintain consistently and logically.
If the "rain" and "pestilence" of verse 13 can be viewed as precipitation and disease effecting any of God's people then it follows that "land" can apply to that of any of God's people as well.
Yes, land was specific to God's national covenants with Israel. Specific areas of land. It's borders were given in great detail (e.g. Joshua 13ff). But here we have little contextual foothold for such a limited view of the word.
It might be objected that a literal temple is in view in this passage. While true it would then follow, were we to maintain this narrow semantic approach, that we need to pray in the temple precincts (v. 15) in order that our prayers be heard. Such a view becomes untenable in view of John 4:20ff.
And thank-you, Lionstrong, for welcoming me aboard.
John |
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God's people's land? |
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So, then, John,
Since the church is worldwide, are you suggesting that an application is that the prayer be made by the universal church for healing of all lands worldwide?
Peace,
Lionstrong |
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God's people's land? |
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2 Chr 7:14
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Dear Steve,
Since all Scripture is inspired by God, it is profitable to believers today as well. This passage has principles that apply to God's people today. For one, it teaches God's faithfulness to answer his people with mercy and healing when we humbly come to him in times of distress or calamity. It also shows the tender compassion of our almighty God. It illustrates a man coming boldly to the throne of grace to find mercy and grace to help in time of need.
No, Steve, God has much to say to his NT people in this passage.
Rom 15:4 For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
Peace,
Lionstrong |
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God's people's land? |
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2 Chr 7:14
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Lionstrong, One last time. Not all the promises in the Bible are for Christians.
Read the context and know it does not apply to us. Also read the context of Romans 15.
You have been mistaught on 2 Chronicles 7:14.
Steve |
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God's people's land? |
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John, are you saying this verse applies to the church or any other group? Steve |
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God's people's land? |
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Correct.
That is one application. Another might be more narrow however. Contextually the Lord was speaking primarily about Palestine. Solomon would have understood Israel as the primary application. That narrows it a bit.
But we could also speak of the "land" of Ethiopia (Gen. 2:11), the "land" of Gilead (Josh. 22:13), the "land" of Egypt (1Ki. 9:9), etc.
The Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament allows for a much higher degree of specificity such as "a piece of ground (2Ki. 8:5)."
Context determines meaning. The promise given in this passage is, in my view, quite broad and therefore the meanings of the words allow for a number of applications.
Further, the New Testament echoes the spirit of what is being promised here.
"The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain...(Jam. 5:15-16)."
Drawing from an Old Testament example of prayer James makes a New Testament application. This kind of hermaneutical example is instructive of what our methodology should be as well.
Hope this clarifies the position I'm taking.
John |
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John,
Verse 13 ... has there been no rain?
Verse 14 ... do the Christians have a land?
Verse 15 ... are we in Jerusalem or the Temple?
Verse 16 ... has God consentrated a place other than Israel?
Do not take verse 14 and not include the whole context.
Steve |
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