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NASB 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
AMPLIFIED 1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin [refusing to admit that we are sinners], we delude and lead ourselves astray, and the Truth [which the Gospel presents] is not in us [does not dwell in our hearts].

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Is sinless perfection possible on earth?
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1 John tells us there is lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life. We see Satan using these three in the garden to tempt Eve.
Genesis 3:6 (NKJV)
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
She didn't have a sin nature until after she ate and yet she moved in the big three.

Now when a person is saved they still retain the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye and pride of life. They may be able to contain those but they are still present in our earthly bodies. It isn't until we get our incorruptable bodies that the big three is no longer present.

Can we live in sinless perfection, I'm not sure but I don't think so because. I'm sure that each step we take that takes us closer to the holiness of God the more we are able to see our imperfections and things we need to deal with in our lives. I can understand that sinless perfection should be the goal of every Christian but since our bodies still have the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye and the pride of life within it we are going to stumble. Perhaps not in ways we now think of as sin but in ways we never considered before because we were so busy dealing with the things we knew to be sin.

I think all too often in church we cite Paul and I don't think even Peter fully understood Paul at times. At least not without a lot of thought and prayer. What is see in Paul and also in Peter is they were in constant struggle to walk in Jesus' footsteps and both felt they missed stepped at times.
   

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