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NASB 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
AMPLIFIED 1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin [refusing to admit that we are sinners], we delude and lead ourselves astray, and the Truth [which the Gospel presents] is not in us [does not dwell in our hearts].

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Is sinless perfection possible on earth?
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Tim,

Surely you aren't suggesting the total absence of something in us that is still yearning towards sin, flesh, sin nature? Gal 5:16,17 seem to clearly be painting a present struggle in Christians, even though I grant that verse 24 is teaching that true Christians can be identified as the ones who are having some victory to show in this struggle. Am I missunderstanding you or do you agree with this? You can't simply categorize it as if only the phrase "old man" is referring to this discussion and limit it to those passages. Ephesians 4 refers to this as the "old self." Does "Old self" not have import for this discussion? It says with regards to the Old Self, its something we are in the process of putting off and putting on the new self.

Eph 4:20 But that is not the way you learned Christ!--
Eph 4:21 assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus,
Eph 4:22 to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires,
Eph 4:23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds,
Eph 4:24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.

I think scripture does teach that we have a conflict. If you want to refrain from calling it "two natures" that is fine. I think scripture does seem to try to paint it as something that is outside of a Christian, or perhaps an invading thing inside the Christian yet distinct. But surely you admit that a struggle is still there to be fought due to ongoing temptations that actually do kindle our desires.

In Christ, Beja
   

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