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NASB	1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
AMPLIFIED	1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin [refusing to admit that we are sinners], we delude and lead ourselves astray, and the Truth [which the Gospel presents] is not in us [does not dwell in our hearts].

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Subject:	Is sinless perfection possible on earth?
Note:	Greetings Ed! I'll have to make this quick as I am missing out on valuable (and rare) sleep. :-) Let me answer the main thrust of your post with a couple of questions? 1) If John meant that Christians will keep on sinning as a normative event in their lives, why did he say: 1Jn 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. Or, 1Jn 3:8-9 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. (9) No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 2) If Paul meant by Romans 7 that Christians cannot help but sin, why did he write: Rom 6:1-2 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? (2) By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Or, Rom 6:6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin-- Or, Rom 8:8-9 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. (9) You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. My point is this: We can base our beliefs on our experience or on what God's word says. It doesn't matter how many times I sin, if God's word says that I don't have to, then it is true. :-) Since the old man is dead, I don't believe that is the source of temptation. James 1:13-15 describes the process of temptation and sin. We are tempted when we put ourselves in positions that we should not be in. The devil doesn't make us do it. We choose to do it. Scripture gives us the promise that if we walk in the Spirit, we won't sin. I've got to go to bed now! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran

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Is this possible? (?)

Sun 06/25/06, 10:11am

Do you think that christians can live a (?)

Thu 05/12/11, 1:10pm

Is sinless perfection possible on earth? (?)

EdB

Wed 07/6/11, 8:56am

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Wed 07/6/11, 5:18pm

Dear Ed, John Wesley introduced the n...

Thu 07/7/11, 8:40am

Greetings Doc! We have discussed befo...

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Greetings Again! Here is one more lin...

Thu 07/7/11, 10:00am

It is always good to go to the original ...

Thu 07/7/11, 12:05pm

Doc What scriptures do you lean on to s...

EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 11:49am

Dear Ed, My apologies to you personal...

Thu 07/7/11, 12:36pm

Actually Doc I do value and cherish what...

EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 1:09pm

Dear Ed, Jacobus Arminius was four ye...

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Actually Paul wording death to sin also ...

EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 3:16pm

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EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 3:18pm

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EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 3:29pm

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Thu 07/7/11, 4:02pm

I did read post #228628 and and your ans...

EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 10:34pm

Fine, Ed... having vision problems so I ...

Fri 07/8/11, 7:18am

Doc Let your guard down this wasn't a...

EdB

Fri 07/8/11, 8:31am

Good Questions Ed. Doc - at a very earl...

Sat 07/16/11, 3:30pm

Greetings Ed! As one of the forum's ...

Thu 07/7/11, 9:48am

Tim, Forgive me if some of what I ask...

Beja

Thu 07/7/11, 11:05am

Greetings Beja! I was just heading to...

Thu 07/7/11, 11:59am

Tim You make the statement above that ...

EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 12:10pm

Tim, Very helpful, thank you. I thin...

Beja

Thu 07/7/11, 12:14pm

Tim, After my first post I think the ...

Beja

Thu 07/7/11, 11:11am

Beja I like that analogy of the garden ...

EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 11:56am

EdB, Yes, I agree with your assessmen...

Beja

Thu 07/7/11, 12:09pm

Actually I didn't mention 1 John 2:8 an...

EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 12:22pm

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EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 1:18pm

EdB, Rom 7:8 But sin, taking opportu...

Beja

Thu 07/7/11, 1:53pm

You said sin has lost it power to condem...

EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 3:31pm

EdB, It was I who quoted those passag...

Beja

Thu 07/7/11, 6:46pm

I think others also quoted them if not I...

EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 10:19pm

EdB, I have explained it a few times....

Beja

Thu 07/7/11, 11:00pm

When Paul says that man has been 'made ...

Thu 07/7/11, 3:05pm

If we are free of the law, and dead to s...

EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 3:27pm

Greetings Biblicalman! Good observati...

Thu 07/7/11, 5:58pm

Hi Tim, YOU SAY : There is in Greek ...

Fri 07/8/11, 3:46am

Biblicalman, I would suggest that its...

Beja

Fri 07/8/11, 7:15am

Thread, I will just reply to my own p...

Beja

Fri 07/8/11, 7:36am

Beja I think you touched on a very impo...

EdB

Fri 07/8/11, 8:28am

Well Beja, you can obviously see it as y...

Fri 07/8/11, 5:45pm

Biblicalman, In an admitedly long and...

Beja

Fri 07/8/11, 6:26pm

Beja In my post I said nothing about ...

Sat 07/9/11, 2:58am

Greetings Biblicalman! You wrote: ...

Mon 07/11/11, 4:40am

Greetings Biblicalman! You wrote: ...

Sat 07/9/11, 7:57am

Hi Tim As with anyone who seeks to es...

Sun 07/10/11, 7:23am

Greetings Biblicalman! You made your ...

Mon 07/11/11, 4:15am

No Tim you interpret me totally incorrec...

Tue 07/12/11, 3:05am

Greetings Biblicalman! You wrote: ...

Tue 07/12/11, 4:52am

Tim Moran said: "Thus people may dis...

Tue 07/12/11, 7:05am

Greetings Biblicalman! I have had yea...

Tue 07/12/11, 7:20am

Greetings Ed! Did you mean 1 John 1:8...

Thu 07/7/11, 12:17pm

Tim Again not to be cute or argumentate...

EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 12:34pm

Greetings Ed! my quote was from the N...

Thu 07/7/11, 5:46pm

Tim I come from a Arminian background b...

EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 11:38am

Ed, I recently made a post (228468) r...

Beja

Thu 07/7/11, 11:54am

Greetings Beja! I looked up 228468. ...

Thu 07/7/11, 12:08pm

Greetings Ed! I'll have to make this...

Thu 07/7/11, 12:30pm

"Scripture gives us the promise that if...

EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 12:48pm

Greetings Ed! I have a book in my lib...

Thu 07/7/11, 5:44pm

While I love and desire your opinions pl...

EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 11:43am

To everyone I'm not trying to be argume...

EdB

Thu 07/7/11, 10:51pm

EdB, I say this with love, and aim to...

Beja

Thu 07/7/11, 11:12pm

Beja I think I understand the scripture...

EdB

Fri 07/8/11, 8:38am

EdB, I understand. And I think we ha...

Beja

Fri 07/8/11, 9:06am

On the discussion of the possibility of ...

EdB

Sat 07/9/11, 10:58am

Greetings EdB! If you check the post ...

Mon 07/11/11, 4:48am

Tim I can see how you got to where you ...

EdB

Mon 07/11/11, 11:26am

Greetings Edb! I would answer 'both...

Mon 07/11/11, 2:45pm

Tim You made the statement that, " the...

EdB

Mon 07/11/11, 11:10pm

Greetings EdB! This falls under the c...

Tue 07/12/11, 7:16am

Tim said, "These statements, in my mind...

EdB

Mon 07/11/11, 11:40am

Greetings Edb! If I am following you ...

Mon 07/11/11, 2:52pm

Part II 2) What does Scripture say a...

Mon 07/11/11, 2:53pm

Tim, Surely you aren't suggesting th...

Beja

Mon 07/11/11, 11:20pm

Beja I tend to agree with you and in 1 ...

EdB

Mon 07/11/11, 11:32pm

There is no man living who is literally ...

Tue 07/12/11, 3:28am

Greetings Beja! Allow me to response ...

Tue 07/12/11, 5:03am

The posters' words Allow me to respo...

Tue 07/12/11, 6:55am

Greetings Biblicalman! You said: ...

Tue 07/12/11, 7:30am

You say: I did not play fast or loose...

Tue 07/12/11, 12:21pm

Wow! Considering you know nothing abo...

Tue 07/12/11, 4:57pm

You say: It has been my experience that ...

Tue 07/12/11, 12:49pm

Greetings Biblicalman! 1) When did I...

Tue 07/12/11, 4:47pm

Perhaps in view of what has been said on...

Thu 07/14/11, 3:42am

In the past the following have been moot...

Thu 07/14/11, 4:39am

Greetings Biblicalman! While we may n...

Thu 07/14/11, 6:02am

Hi Tim, You ask : 1) Slaves or not...

Thu 07/14/11, 12:17pm

Greetings Biblicalman! A couple of qu...

Thu 07/14/11, 7:32pm

Hi Tim You say: First of all, I al...

Fri 07/15/11, 1:34am

Greetings Biblicalman! I have been do...

Fri 07/15/11, 6:26am

Dear Pastor Tim, Your post was one of...

Fri 07/15/11, 1:13pm

Hi Tim, Interestingly as you have sa...

Fri 07/15/11, 1:27pm

What Does It Mean To Be Dead To Sin? ...

Fri 07/15/11, 4:09pm

CONTINUATION: What then will be the c...

Fri 07/15/11, 4:11pm

Paul’s Self Analysis In The Light Of The...

Sat 07/16/11, 6:04am

Some expositors find great difficulty in...

Sat 07/16/11, 6:10am

biblicalman Forgive me I thanked Beja a...

EdB

Fri 07/15/11, 10:00pm

No problem. My view, and the view of ...

Sat 07/16/11, 6:00am

Greetings Biblicalman! Thanks for the...

Thu 07/14/11, 5:49am

Hi Tim, You say: The first example...

Thu 07/14/11, 1:28pm

Greetings Biblicalman! I seldom argue...

Thu 07/14/11, 7:11pm

Greetings Biblicalman! I apologize, I...

Thu 07/14/11, 6:27am

Hi Tim I will discuss Greek tenses in...

Thu 07/14/11, 1:00pm

Further to my note on Ephesians 4.24 ff....

Thu 07/14/11, 3:18pm

Greetings Biblicalman! While we may d...

Thu 07/14/11, 7:14pm

Tim, Thanks for your reply, I'll fol...

Beja

Tue 07/12/11, 10:59am

Greetings Beja! Thanks for the great ...

Tue 07/12/11, 5:05pm

Part III Gal 5:19-21 The acts of the...

Mon 07/11/11, 3:20pm

1 John tells us there is lust of the fle...

EdB

Mon 07/11/11, 11:24pm

Tim I would also be remiss if I didn't ...

EdB

Mon 07/11/11, 11:28pm

Thanks EdB! If you get a chance, chec...

Tue 07/12/11, 7:34am

EdB, This has been one of the longest t...

Sun 07/17/11, 12:58pm

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