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Greetings Jesusman!
Since this thread seems destined to go on forever, I might as well get involved! :-)
I don't feel that it is possible, nor necessary, to take a dogmatic position on this issue either way. It simply isn't that important.
However, I can't agree that there isn't any possibility of the "Sons of God" referring to angels or that Jude 7 may refer back to Gen. 6:1-4. Here is why:
1) The LXX, in Job 1:6, actually translates the phrase "the sons of God" as "the angels of God".
2) 1 Enoch, which Jude may have been alluding to, clearly interprets Gen. 6:1-4 as referring to sexual relations between humans and angels.
Now, my point isn't to prove the case either way, but simply to point out that both of these sources were fairly conteporary with the writing of the New Testament. Thus, they provide some support to the notion that "Sons of Men" means angels and that Gen. 6:1-4 could refer to sexual relations between women and angels.
On a technicule note, would the 'toutois' of Jude 7 have to refer back to the "angels" of Jude 6? Thus, equating the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah with the sin of the angels! "Angels" was the only possible antecedent that I could find in Jude 5-7.
However, I couldn't find much info in the quick scan I did of my sources and the text. Maybe you have access to something I missed!
Your Brother in Christ,
Tim Moran
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