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NASB Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?"
AMPLIFIED Genesis 3:1 NOW THE serpent was more subtle and crafty than any living creature of the field which the Lord God had made. And he [Satan] said to the woman, Can it really be that God has said, You shall not eat from every tree of the garden? [Rev. 12:9-11.]

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Animal Intelligence Isn't Rational
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Intelligence? Yes. Rationallity? No, dear Sir Pent.

Human communication is the transference and reception of thought from one to another. Since animals do not think, no thoughts are transferred, and no communication takes place.

Further, regarding Mat. 10:16, and to strengthen to point that Jesus was speaking anthropopathically about animals, not only are serpents not shrewd, but doves are not innocent. In order to be innocent one must be a moral agent. Animals are amoral creatures. God does not judge them for sinning, because they CANNOT sin. In order to sin, one must be a moral agent. In order to be a moral agent, one must understand moral commands. In order to understand moral commands, one must understand the thoughts communicated in the moral commands. In order to understand thoughts, one must be rational. Therefore, doves are not innocent because doves (and all animals) are not rational.
Peace,
Lionstrong
   

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