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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
DocTrinsograce |
Mon 02/8/10, 6:11pm |
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Dear Pastor Tim,
That was what I was trying to say... despite myself. :-)
I do think, though, that the word "tithe" is a bit of a misnomer. The word has been lifted from OT, into the church as a convenient figure. Not really the same thing. In the OT it was a requirement, one might consider it a debt. I think the Greek word translated tithe in the NT reflects that, does it not?
Thank you for helping to articulate things for us.
In Him, Doc |
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
BradK |
Mon 02/8/10, 4:50pm |
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Pastor Tim,
Amen! Well said and I agree with your perspective. It's not about being "forced" to give. It's about being a cheerful giver out from our heart that matters! It is indeed an excellent practice to develop! Tit. 2:12-13.
Spekaing the Truth in Love,
BradK |
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
DocTrinsograce |
Mon 02/8/10, 4:34pm |
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Dear Pastor Josh,
Welcome to the forum!
You make a good point. Our fallen nature is such that we often look for limits on the wrong side of curve (to use a statistical metaphor). The lavishness of God's mercy and grace certainly call for extravagance (cf Luke 7:47).
In Him, Doc |
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
Val |
Mon 02/8/10, 2:28pm |
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I think your doing the right thing from my understanding of the New Covenant. Thanks for your common sense solution to a delicate subject. Good Day. |
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
Morant61 |
Mon 02/8/10, 1:05pm |
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Greetings Val!
In our congregation, I teach that tithing is not a required for Christians. However, I also add the following.
1) Giving is required of Christians.
2) Tithing is a good way to give consistently.
3) Many denominations list tithing as a expectation of it's member's.
So, while not required, it is certainly an excellent practice to develop. :-)
Your Brother in Christ,
Tim Moran |
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will there be animals in heaven |
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Bible general |
DocTrinsograce |
Mon 02/8/10, 7:53am |
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Yeah, brother CDBJ, I'll grant you the horses. I hope they are bit more tidy than the horses I've been around. :-) |
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will there be animals in heaven |
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Bible general |
CDBJ |
Sun 02/7/10, 9:28pm |
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Hi Doc,
I agree with your answer with the exception of the reference to horses that are mentioned in Revelation.
There is a book out called, “Heaven” by Randy Alcorn that has really been a blessing to me; I love animals and he points out verses that expound on the fact that animals will be with us where we will be spending eternity with the Lord.
Col. 1:16
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
The Lord saw fit to make all of the animals that we know of now, why would He do any different when he creates a new heaven and a new earth. It pleased Him the first time and all of creation is waiting for the new creation including the animals.
Romans 8:22-23
For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
The Lord might even bless us with our precious pets that have passed on and that not because of anything they have done but because of man’s sin. It’s a possibility that could come to fruition and they could be with us again.
I might end up with black cat hair all over my nice white rob but I’ll love it!
CDBJ
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
azurelaw |
Sun 02/7/10, 4:58pm |
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Dear Brad,
Thank you very much for the sharing. It is wonderful that your father has been an example for you.
Happy Valentine's Day (it's also the Lunar New Year's Day)
Shalom
Azure |
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
DocTrinsograce |
Sun 02/7/10, 12:55pm |
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Dear Val,
Yes, ma'am. As you wish. Don't feel intimidated -- we are all learning.
I still hope to hear what you might have to say about 1 John 3:4. I have heard it very poorly exegeted by legalists of one sort or another, but I have never heard it exegeted by an antinomian. I also do not recall how a POP study dealt with it.
Thank you, anyway.
In Him, Doc |
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
DocTrinsograce |
Sun 02/7/10, 12:49pm |
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Dear Val,
I believe that if you add up the OT requirements you end up with something more than 25 percent. The NT speaks of tithing, hearkening back to the OT Law. The word tithe, as used by the church, often simply means giving to the church. I think the principle was lifted from the OT to have NT implications. No percentage is specifically mentioned in the NT that I know about. The redeemed as new creatures have a generous nature, and yet generosity has to be taught -- something we see repeatedly, as I said in another post here, in the NT.
In Him, Doc |
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Jesus in Psalm 119:38 |
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Ps 119:38 |
STLMIN |
Sun 02/7/10, 8:05am |
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Jesus is the Word of God (John 1:1), established to produce in us the fear of God. (John 5:39; Luke 24:27, 44-45)
http://blogforthelordjesus.wordpress.com |
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
Val |
Sat 02/6/10, 8:04pm |
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The tithe us not repeated in the new testment. It was given to Israel under the mosiac covenant. We are certainly told to support the church but the ways and means is left to each individual believer. To demand 10 percent is in my view legalism to me. I am under grace and liberty in the New covenant. I do not wish to debate this topic any longer. Good Day |
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
Val |
Sat 02/6/10, 7:32pm |
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I left out the 10 percent in my question. Could you reread it and respond with the 10 percent in there? Thanks |
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
DocTrinsograce |
Sat 02/6/10, 7:07pm |
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Dear Val,
You are to be commended for your much study of the Word. We are blessed as part of the fruit of that effort. Furthermore, it is a good example worthy of our emulation.
May I ask you, with your hermeneutic, what is your exegesis of a passage like 1 John 3:4? I do not recall you commenting on that verse.
Thank you for your thoughts.
In Him, Doc |
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
DocTrinsograce |
Sat 02/6/10, 6:59pm |
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Dear Val,
You asked, "Civil law is government. Is it not?"
Yes, but what I was talking about was the civil aspect of the Mosaic Law.
You asked, "Are you saying it is wrong and a sin for a believer not to give to the local chuch ?" (sic)
Yes, that is clearly commanded. It is the right of the minister to of the flock to receive remuneration in his efforts (Luke 10:7; 1 Corinthians 9:3-14; Galatians 6:6).
In Him, Doc |
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
Val |
Sat 02/6/10, 6:45pm |
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In my last post I was meaning the percentage, the 10 percent. |
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
Val |
Sat 02/6/10, 6:43pm |
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Civil law is government. Is it not? We have a different government than Israel had. Of course our very breath belongs to the Lord. Are you saying it is wrong and a sin for a believer not to give to the local chuch ? Just so I understand your position. |
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
DocTrinsograce |
Sat 02/6/10, 6:04pm |
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Dear Val,
I would deem that tithing, per se, is mostly related to the civil aspect of the Law. There are numerous places where we are instructed to provide for the expenses of the church, its ministers, the furtherance of the gospel, and the poor. We could speak of tithing as a principle that correlates to such an activity. Of course, Christians understand that all that we have belongs to God. We do not own a percentage while God owns another percentage. There would be something fundamentally amiss in a Christian who failed to give to the church out of the increase that God has provided.
Legalism is not about percentages. Legalism is the view that we can increase or decrease our acceptance by God through what we do, say, feel, or think. The error on the other extreme is the belief that what we do, say, feel, or think makes no difference. The Bible believing Christian understands propitiation as being the crucial element rather than expiation.
Therefore, our giving arises out of our great love for the Lord (Luke 7:47b); it is an observable attribute of the regenerate.
In Him, Doc |
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
Val |
Sat 02/6/10, 5:52pm |
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I have studied the book of Hebrew PUP. I have studied many books using these in depth studies. My view so far is that tithing is something that was given to Israel under the old covenant. Under the new covenant we are under grace. No where under the new covenant is there a demand for a certain percentage to be given. Rather it does say take care of orphans, widows, help the poor, take care of your family. The physical church today does not co these things rather the majority goes to pay salaries. Therefore to demand a percentage is not right. Paul never demanded money. He asked if people wanted to participate and made a case thar they should give. However my point is he did not tell them how much to give. A thorough study of the book of Hebrews shows that we are under a new covenant. As for Abraham if you can show me that this is a mandate for the new covenant I will be willing to look at it. Grace is grace. Law is law. We are under grace. Does that give us a right to sin; as Paul said May it never be. Are you going so far as to say it is a sin not to give a certain percentage or to give only to the local church? What are giving as the Lord leads, to different causes and different amounts as the individual has purposed in his heart. Good day. |
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do u tithe on unemployment checks |
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1 Tim 1:8 |
Val |
Sat 02/6/10, 5:32pm |
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Which do you think tithing comes under civil, ceremonial or moral? I am just going by old (Moses) covenant and new Christ) covenant. Hebrews clearly states the old was done away with. It is also referred to in Hebrews as the law. The whole bible is the believers standard of conduct. I can find no where that a certain percentage is to be given, 10 percent, or to demand that 10 percent from others. Isn't it between the believer and the Lord? To demand a percentage is legalism isn't it? |
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