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1 Church of the Word or Word of the Church Note Rom 10:7 DocTrinsograce Fri 07/22/16, 1:28pm 243322
  "The Reformers called this 'enthusiasm' (literally, 'God-within-ism') because it made the external Word of Scripture subservient to the inner word supposedly spoken by the Spirit today within the individual or the church. In 2 Corinthians 3, Paul's letter-Spirit contrast refers to the law apart from the gospel as a 'ministry of death' and the gospel as the Spirit's means of justifying and regenerating sinners. Gnostics, enthusiasts, and mystics throughout the ages, however, have interpreted the apostle's terms as a contrast between the text of Scripture ('letter') and inner spiritual knowledge ('spirit').

"If only it were that easy to identify the 'two sects' in our day. Tragically, 'enthusiasm' has become one of the dominant ways of undermining the sufficiency of Scripture, and it is evident across the spectrum. Rome has consistently insisted that the letter of Scripture requires the living presence of the Spirit speaking through the Magisterium. Anabaptists and Pietists have emphasized a supposedly immediate, direct, and spontaneous work of the Spirit in our hearts apart from creaturely means. Enlightenment philosophers and liberal theologians -- almost all of whom were reared in Pietism -- resurrected the radical Anabaptist interpretation of 'letter' versus 'spirit.' 'Letter' came to mean the Bible (or any external authority), while 'spirit' was equivalent not to the Holy Spirit but to our own inner spirit, reason, or experience. By the mid-twentieth century, the synods and general assemblies even of denominations historically tied to the Reformation began to speak of the Scriptures as an indispensable record of the pious experiences, reflections, rituals, beliefs, and lives of saints in the past, while what we really need in this hour is to 'follow the Spirit' wherever he/she/it may lead us. And we now know where this spirit has led these erstwhile churches; but it is the spirit of the age, not the Spirit of Christ, that has taken them there.

"William Placher finely described this broad tendency in modern faith and practice as the 'domestication of transcendence.' In other words, it is not that revelation, inspiration, and authority are denied, but that the surprising, disorienting, and external voice of God is finally transformed into the 'relevant,' uplifting, and empowering inner voice of our own reason, morality, and experience.

"Such domestication of transcendence means that the self—or the 'community' (whatever name it goes by) -- is protected from the surprising, disorienting, and judging speech of our Creator. Yet this also means that we cannot be saved, since faith comes by hearing God speak his Word of salvation in his Son (Rom. 10:17). This is not something that bubbles up within us, either as pious individuals or as the holy church, but as a Word that comes to us. It is not a familiar Word, but a strange and unsettling speech that strips us of our moral pretenses, overturns our most intuitive assumptions, disturbs our activistic programs. Basically, we are told to stop talking to ourselves as if we were hearing the voice of God. Through the lips of other sinful messengers, we are put on the receiving end of our identity. We do not discover our 'higher selves' but are told who we really are: treasonous image-bearers of God; we do not find our bearings 'in Adam' toward a fuller sense of inner peace and security but are driven out of ourselves to Christ, who clothes us in His righteousness.

...

"While the church is not the master of the text, it is the amphitheater in which the Word creates the reality of which it speaks, the place where a valley of dry bones becomes a resurrected community (Ezek. 37). Just as we come to God with empty hands to receive Christ in salvation, we come to his Word as hearers rather than as judges and lords. Yet even this emptying of our hands is the judging and liberating work of a God who is too gracious to let us have the last word."

--Michael S. Horton from his essay "Church of the Word or Word of the Church?"

2 The Threefold Division of the Law Note Deut 30:10 DocTrinsograce Thu 07/21/16, 1:28pm 243321
  "The law of the Lord our God that was handed down to His people through Moses is partly ethical, partly sacrificial, and partly political (ἠθική, ἱερᾱτική, and πολῑτῐκή, respectively). The ethical portion shows in what way each person must be disposed of both toward God most of all, then toward his neighbor. And so, as it stands in judgment upon us for condemnation [Romans 7:8] in our own persons because of the accompanying threatenings joined to it that are against those who have transgressed the law even at the smallest point, so in Christ, who has been made our righteousness by most abundantly fulfilling the law for us at the same time as has he has also satisfied the penalties we owed, the law is so far from harming us that, on the contrary, in Christ, who is laid hold of by faith, we are absolved from its condemnation, we gain the crown which the law promises to those who keep it, and the law itself shows to us who are sanctified by the Spirit of the gospel the path of the good and straight road [Romans 8:21].

"The sacrificial law consists in that internal worship which we owe to God, as a kind of picture offered to our external senses. In addition to this, it trained the Israelites in the external profession of true religion add demonstrated to the people of God, under the tutelage (pedagogia. See Galatians 3:24) He established, the true image both of condemnation, which all men earn because of their transgression of the moral law, and of that freedom which was awaited from the Messiah to come [Hebrews 10:1].

"The political law shows what profit the moral law is in the common society of men and arms the magistrate against its transgressors [2 Kings 21:8]. These laws indeed occur in a scattered fashion, as they have been handed down by God in various times and places. As Moses, in addition, does not describe them with the same tender, they seem to me not inconveniently distributed into these categories and can be, as it were, assembled into one unit." --Theodore Beza (1519-1605) from his A Clear and Simple Treatise on the Lord's Supper

3 Calvin a workman approved?????? Note 2 Tim 2:15 EdB Thu 07/21/16, 9:04am 243320
  John Calvin came from a small town sixty miles northeast of Paris. His father was anxious for his son to have the advantages of a good education. Calvin entered the University of Paris at fourteen and mastered not only a brilliant writing style but a skill in logical argument. In later years men might not like what Calvin said but they could not misunderstand what he meant. He left the university in 1528 with his Master of Arts degree.
After Paris, at his father’s insistence, John turned to the study of law in the universities of Orleans and Bourges, but his father’s death in 1531 left Calvin free to pursue his own interests. Thus he returned to Paris as a student of the classics, intent upon a scholar’s career.
His studies brought Calvin into touch with reforming ideas circulating in Paris, and shortly thereafter one of those “events” in Calvin’s life turned him in a new direction. He called it an “unexpected conversion.” We can’t be certain about the date, but it was clearly more than a kind of spiritual enlightenment or the recognition of the supreme authority of the Scriptures. Calvin surrendered his will to God. He gave up his career as a classical scholar and identified with the Protestant cause in France.
In the autumn of 1533 Calvin was so closely linked with his friend Nicholas Cop that when Cop gave a strongly Protestant address as rector of the university, some suspected Calvin wrote the speech. The vigorous address threw the institution into an uproar, and Calvin was forced to flee from Paris. The young reformer found refuge in Basel, where in March, 1536, he published the first edition of his highly influential Institutes of the Christian Religion.


Bruce L. Shelley, Church History in Plain Language, Updated 2nd ed. (Dallas, TX: Word Pub., 1995), 258.


So we see somewhere between 1531 and 1535 Calvin "studied" scripture so diligently that he felt qualified to write what some call great theology Institutes of Christian Religion.
Excuse me if I'm not impressed with his ideas, opinions and conjecture.
4 Pastors / prayer who we should listen to Note Titus 1:7 EdB Thu 07/21/16, 7:20am 243319
  Paul told Titus that “the bishop must not be grasping and greedy for filthy lucre (financial gain)” Titus 1:7. Far too often, ministers build “their kingdom” off the financial backs of the aged and everyday, hard working person.
“Preachers who do not pray become promoters. They become frustrated building contractors. When they lose the touch of God, they lose touch with their people and their needs. Preachers who don’t pray have egos that spin out of control. They want their own way. They substitute sweat for unction (anointing). Evangelists who do not pray become stars, storytellers. They lack humility, so they manipulate crowds through emotional gimmicks. The shame of this generation is that we have too many talented men of God, and only a few who have touched God in prayer” (David Wilkerson).2
5 Living in Two Kingdoms Note Jude 1:8 DocTrinsograce Wed 07/20/16, 3:13pm 243318
  "First, before we enter into the matter itself, we must keep in mind that distinction which we previously laid down so that we do not (as commonly happens) unwisely mingle these two, which have a completely different nature. For certain men, when they hear that the gospel promises a freedom that acknowledges no king and no magistrate among men, but looks to Christ alone, think that they cannot benefit by their freedom so long as they see any power set up over them [e.g., Felix Manz, Anabaptist]. They therefore think that nothing will be safe unless the whole world is reshaped to a new form, where there are neither courts, nor laws, nor magistrates, nor anything which in their opinion restricts their freedom [cf contemporary Dominion Theology]. But whoever knows how to distinguish between body and soul, between this present fleeting life and that future eternal life, will without difficulty know that Christ's spiritual Kingdom and the civil jurisdiction are things completely distinct. Since, then, it is a Jewish vanity to seek and enclose Christ's Kingdom within the elements of this world, let us rather ponder that what Scripture clearly teaches is a spiritual fruit, which we gather from Christ's grace; and let us remember to keep within its own limits all that freedom which is promised and offered to us in Him [cf Romans 6:1, 2; Galatians 5:13; 2 Peter 2:18, 21]. For why is it that the same apostle who bids us stand and not submit to the 'yoke of bondage' [Gal. 5:1] elsewhere forbids slaves to be anxious about their state [1 Corinthians 7:21], unless it be that spiritual freedom can perfectly well exist along with civil bondage? These statements of his must also be taken in the same sense: In the Kingdom of God 'there is neither Jew nor Greek, neither male nor female, neither slave nor free' [Gal. 3:28, Vg.; order changed]. And again, 'there is not Jew nor Greek, uncircumcised and circumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, freeman; but Christ is all in all' [Colossians 3:11]. By these statements he means that it makes no difference what your condition among men may be or under what nation's laws you live, since the Kingdom of Christ does not at all consist in these things [John 18:36]." --John Calvin, from his Institutes of the Christian Religion (1559)
6 Led by the Spirit within the Law Note Gal 5:18 EdB Wed 07/20/16, 10:24am 243317
  Bible Note: "The 'leading of the Spirit' in view here does not refer to mystical elements in divine guidance, but to the moral character of Christian behavior; god's son's are to exhibit the family trait of holiness, and this implies putting sin to death through the power of the indwelling Spirit (Romans 8:13). --Dr. Sinclair Ferguson (1948-), Ph.D. University of Aberdeen

Mystical?????? What is mystical about being yielded to and lead by the Holy Spirit? That is why Christ sent the Holy Spirit to us. He is our companion. I suppose Dr. Ferguson views that relationship as "mystical" or perhaps he is not in such a relationship and is writing about something he never experienced.

"Although at the popular level 'being lead by the Spirit' [Galatians 5:18] is sometimes understood to direct guidance by the Spirit [mystical elements], Paul's concern lies elsewhere. In context it functions as the other side of the coin to the imperative 'walk by the Spirit' in v16. That is, believers who walk by the Spirit do so because they are following where the spirit leads; and the pattern after Christ Himself -- whom Paul has earlier described as 'the one who loved me and gave Himself for me' (v2:20).

I suppose the same author of this quote would consider being lead of our sinful nature as also be mystical? What is mystical of being lead of the Holy Spirit? Of course people that walk lead of the Spirit do so because are following where the Spirit lead and the pattern of Christ. What else could it mean? Too many people that have never fully experienced the Holy Spirit talk as worldly man that attributes everything whether of God or not as being mystical. Unless they can explain it the is isn't real and they couch it in the words "Mystical"


"Another largely misunderstood verse is 1 John 4:1: 'Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God.' It's widely held that the testing of spirits in this verse refers to judging personal feelings as to whether they are divinely produced or not. In context, however, the reference is to judging the doctrinal teachings of teachers who call themselves Christian." --Dr. M. Blaine Smith, D.Min. Fuller Theological Seminary

Again spoken by a someone that never fully received the gift of discernment. Of course all doctrine must be based on scripture. All preaching must agree with scripture. But the adversary is clever and many false prophets have the ability to deceive. Unless we learn to depend on discernment we can be lead to destruction. Why else would the gift be given if not to prevent the deception Jesus knew would be coming?

Let me ask how many pray to be lead of the Holy Spirit? Or do they just assume that this leading is automatic? Something they don't have to learn to yield to. Which is exactly what the first passage Romans 8:13 is talking about.
7 Led by the Spirit within the Law Note Gal 5:18 DocTrinsograce Tue 07/19/16, 2:44pm 243316
  "The 'leading of the Spirit' in view here does not refer to mystical elements in divine guidance, but to the moral character of Christian behavior; god's son's are to exhibit the family trait of holiness, and this implies putting sin to death through the power of the indwelling Spirit (Romans 8:13). --Dr. Sinclair Ferguson (1948-), Ph.D. University of Aberdeen

"Although at the popular level 'being lead by the Spirit' [Galatians 5:18] is sometimes understood to direct guidance by the Spirit [mystical elements], Paul's concern lies elsewhere. In context it functions as the other side of the coin to the imperative 'walk by the Spirit' in v16. That is, believers who walk by the Spirit do so because they are following where the spirit leads; and the pattern after Christ Himself -- whom Paul has earlier described as 'the one who loved me and gave Himself for me' (v2:20).

"This is why Torah observance is totally irrelevant; for the one led by the Spirit in 'the law of Christ' the aim of Torah has been fulfilled. Thus, even though the main concern in this section is with the sufficiency of the Spirit over against the sufficiency in a context where Torah observance no longer obtains. 'It is all right to be done with Torah,' he says, 'because the Spirit can handle the flesh; indeed to be led by the Spirit eliminates the need to be under the Law.'"--Dr. Gordon Fee (1934-), Professor Emeritus of New Testament Studies at Regent College in Vancouver; honorary Doctor of Divinity degree from Northwest University in Kirkland, Washington; ordained minister of the Assemblies of God (USA)

"Another largely misunderstood verse is 1 John 4:1: 'Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God.' It's widely held that the testing of spirits in this verse refers to judging personal feelings as to whether they are divinely produced or not. In context, however, the reference is to judging the doctrinal teachings of teachers who call themselves Christian." --Dr. M. Blaine Smith, D.Min. Fuller Theological Seminary
8 Our Great God Note Jer 23:24 EdB Mon 07/18/16, 4:44pm 243315
  Jeremiah said it better!
9 Our Great God Note Jer 23:24 DocTrinsograce Mon 07/18/16, 3:42pm 243314
  "The whole creation, from the seraph down to the indivisible atom, ministers to the Supreme Will, and is under the special observation, government, and direction of the Omnipotent Mind – who sees all, Himself unseen; who upholds all, Himself unsustained; who guides all, Himself guided by none; and who changes all, Himself unchanged." --Augustus Toplady (1740-1778)

10 A Contrite Heart Note Luke 7:48 EdB Mon 07/18/16, 6:44am 243313
  Ah yes but what produces the torn and broken heart. It is God himself through the work of Holy Spirit. It is not pithy quotes of man. In this quoted passage the silent working of the Holy Spirit on this woman's heart is evident. She sought out her salvation by seeking the righteousness that was before her.
Oh that man would seek righteousness rather than all that the world seeks!
11 A Contrite Heart Note Luke 7:48 DocTrinsograce Sun 07/17/16, 3:23pm 243312
  "Men despise that which is broken, but God will not. He despised the sacrifice of torn and broken beasts, but He will not despise that of a torn and broken heart. He will not overlook it; He will not refuse or reject it; though it make God no satisfaction for the wrong done Him by sin, yet He does not despise it." --Matthew Henry (1662-1714)

12 Constitution of the Heart Cannot be Hid Note Luke 6:49 EdB Sat 07/16/16, 8:10pm 243311
  Matthew 7:5
13 Constitution of the Heart Cannot be Hid Note Luke 6:49 DocTrinsograce Sat 07/16/16, 6:29pm 243310
  "Those speak foolishly who ascribe their anger or their impatience to such as offend them or to tribulation. Tribulation does not make people impatient, but proves that they are impatient. So everyone may learn from tribulation how his heart is constituted." --Martin Luther (1483-1546)

14 The Effort of Repentance Note Prov 19:24 EdB Sat 07/16/16, 7:19am 243309
  Man will not truly repent unless they are convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit, John 16:8. Many downplay the Holy Spirit, citing instead the intellect of man, sufficiency of preaching, conditional yielding to the Holy Spirit.

Many heed the words of man, cling to the words of man but fail to seek the leading of the Holy Spirit.

We can try to blame man's state on many characteristics of man but it means little when proper importance is not placed on the Holy Spirit.

Opinion most people don't repent because they do not see a need to repent. To be told by a sinning man they are sinful, slothful, or whatever alienates rather than convicts. However when convicted by the Holy Spirit they are certain of their need to repent. Throughout scripture we are shown over and over that prayer, not spicy sayings of man, not excellent preaching, not confrontational situations.

But if we can't or won't yield to the Holy Spirit how effective can our prayer be?
15 The Effort of Repentance Note Prov 19:24 DocTrinsograce Fri 07/15/16, 3:21pm 243308
  "Repentance is looked upon as a tedious thing, requiring great effort; but men are content with their dregs and do not care to stir. They would rather go sleeping to hell than weeping to heaven. 'A slothful man hides his hand in his vest' (Proverbs 19:24); he will not strike his breast. Many would rather lose heaven than ply the oar and row on the waters of repentance. We cannot have the world citra pulverem (without labor and diligence); would we not rather have what is more excellent? Sloth is the cancer of the soul: 'Slothfulness tosses into a deep sleep' (Proverbs 19.15). It was a witty fiction of the poets that when Mercury put Argus to sleep and closed his eyes with an enchanted flute, he then killed him. It is no fiction that when Satan has lulled men to sleep in sloth by his witcheries, he then destroys them. Some report that while the crocodile sleeps with its mouth open, the Indian rat gets into its belly and eats up its entrails. So too while men sleep in false security, they are devoured." --Thomas Watson (1620-1686)

16 The Word Note Deut 6:20 EdB Thu 07/14/16, 3:25pm 243307
  Yes I saw you cited a verse but that verse did not support the opinion being offered other than the fact they were both talking about God's word.
You are taking liberties that you have denied others. That my friend is not treating others as you would have them do unto you.

We all know your are a master at wordsmithing but that is not the purpose of this forum, it is to discuss the Bible. And often to effectively do that we must offer our opinion of what scripture says to us personally. Be that in conflict with your theology or not.
17 A Promise to All Generations Note Rom 9:33 DocTrinsograce Thu 07/14/16, 3:07pm 243306
  "It was both Abraham's and the Jews' privilege also that they should have this promise to all generations, as Gen. xvii. For two thou­sand years the covenant to belong thus unto them, and to be entailed on them, and also that 'after the flesh Christ should come of them,' as Rom. ix. 5, and that they should be the root of our covenant, and we but engrafted on them as the ‘natural branches,’ Rom. xi.; and further, that after their eminent breaking off by unbelief, for well nigh two thousand years since, their covenant should be remembered, and for their fathers' sakes all Israel should yet be saved, as in the same chapter. And as the place which be-there quotes out of Isaiah also promiseth that their seed's seed should be converted in a successive way from their second call to the world’s end; and perhaps of every one, at least the most of that nation. And indeed it hath seemed to me to be one reason why all that nation were outwardly holy (which no nation ever was) before Christ's time, that this might be a pro­phetic type that all should one day be inwardly and really holy. How transcendent a privilege is this, then, that they should have something peculiarly promised to them, which is evident even by this also, that Abra­ham and his seed had the peculiar promise of Canaan, which we Gentiles have not." --Dr. Thomas Goodwin (1600-1680)

18 The Word Note Deut 6:20 DocTrinsograce Thu 07/14/16, 2:54pm 243305
  Dear Ed,

Verses are connected to each quote. Has there been no 1 Kings 19:12 experience, according to the hermeneutic of Anabaptists, about the verse at the top of each post. Tsk. Tsk! Indeed! (cf Hosea 7:16)

Perhaps casting one's eyes upward (Isaiah 51:6a), above the box being containing your own opinion, one will behold the connection. However, it does take looking up, rather than being so focused on one's own composition. (cf 2 Kings 19:30)

Our gracious host, the Lockman Foundation, has given us the ability to link comments to Scripture! Thus, as they say, we can expand the marginal notes of the Word.

Regardless, I am very happy that my quotes allow you at least a tiny exposure to Reformed Hermeneutic, one that would have remained neglected otherwise. God was so gracious to give us these wonderful men (Ephesians 4) for just such a purpose! Imagine, as I post and you read, Isaiah 55:11 (cf Ephesians 1:9-11), cannot but help to be fulfilled.

Therefore, thank you for your close observation!

In Him, Doc
19 The Word Note Deut 6:20 EdB Wed 07/13/16, 6:48pm 243304
  No scripture? Isn,t this a violation of edict that without scripture is merely man's opinion? Tsk tsk
20 The Word Note Deut 6:20 DocTrinsograce Wed 07/13/16, 6:09pm 243303
  "You and I are not the first ones to read the Bible. Christians as individuals and the church as a corporation has been hearing, meditating upon, and reading God's Word for its entire history. One of the principal fruits of that corporate reflection upon Scripture has been the church's confession of and about Scripture. When the church faced the challenge posed by Arius and his followers, she did not simply quote Scripture. She composed a confession, a summary of what she understood Scripture to teach about God. When Martin Luther stood before the Diet of Worms, he did not simply quote Scripture. He confessed the singular authority of Scripture over against the authority of popes and councils. This is the Christian practice and it is a biblical practice." --R. Scott Clark (2016)

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