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1 God's Quarrel with Them... Note Prov 24:25 azurelaw Wed 07/30/14, 6:31pm 240968
  Thank you very much, brother Doc. We definitely need this reminder here.
James 1:20

2 God's Quarrel with Them... Note Prov 24:25 DocTrinsograce Wed 07/30/14, 5:53pm 240967
  "When we have a controversy with the wicked we should take heed that private spleen do not rule us, but that only our interest in God's quarrel with them moves us." --David Dickson (1583-1663)
3 Is Metaphorical teaching legitimate Note 2 Cor 1:13 Movingon Wed 07/30/14, 5:03pm 240964
  There are upwards of 300 different Christian denominations in America supposedly coming from the same textbook; the Bible? The parent from which all heresy sprang began and is still very much with us today in the pseudo interpretation of Scripture.

In ordinary Christian conversation about understanding Scripture one often hears the term “spiritual interpretation,” without realizing it is not happenstance or a natural progression, but has roots in things that most are not acquainted with.

The terms “allegorical,” “parabolical,” “metaphorical,” or the more common expression in layman terms, “spiritual,” have their roots in ancient history. They are by their very geneses a stumbling block to, and in direct opposition to understanding Divine revelation. The Oxford Classical Dictionary states:

“Allegorical reading of works of literature-above all the mythological poems of Homer and Hesiod, decoded as accounts of the physical world or the truths of morality-seems to begin as early as the 6th cent, BC and to be an established (if controversial) practice by the end of the 5th.”

It is almost inconceivable that rational people would or could approach the Scriptures with such foolishness in mind, yet that is precisely what those who use that method do. It should be axiomatic, if a normal literal statement doesn’t mean what is said, then, it has no meaning. If God indeed meant other than what is written, the entirely reasonable question could be asked concerning the misuse of Scripture, “How could God find fault with anyone, if He himself doesn’t mean what He says?

From the heathen mystery religions came the belief that not only did almost every passage have a secret, mysterious and higher meaning, but that God had at times actually falsified even historical events and dates as Philo, an Alexandrian Jew (20 BC AD 50) a contemporary of Christ claimed. This was commonly taught by Philo, Barnabas, and later by Clement of Alexandria, who passed it on to his star pupil, Origen (185 254), who in AD 203 at the age of eighteen became head of the catechetical school of theology at Alexandria Egypt, which at that time was the world’s foremost Christian school.

From the beginning that belief was established by the church leadership as the correct and legitimate method of teaching that would determine the course of church history and to a great extent world history for the next thirteen centuries until the Reformation. It paved the road to the dark ages for a thousand years and even until the present the same disastrous method is used more or less by most of Christendom. The disastrous result of the method is witnessed to by the heresy, confusion, and disastrous results everywhere it is used.

That method is in fact what almost everyone believed in the primitive church and is the parent of the present theological confusion in the body of Christ. Examples of the claim that God at times falsified Scripture were common in the early church writings. It is often and especially seen in the writings of Origen (AD 185 254), one of the most prolific writers of the post apostolic times. Speaking of the writers of the Scriptures he said:

“Scripture contains many contradictions, and many statements which are not literally true, but must be read spiritually and mystically. “…They proposed to speak the truth where it was their intention to prefer the spiritual to the material. The spiritual truth was often preserved, as one might say, in the material falsehood.” (Origen, Commentary on John, Anti Nicene Fathers, Hendrickson Pub., 1994. Vol. 9, p. 383.)
If a statement using normal words is not accepted as meaning what the writer said, then the only thing left are the inventions of those who deny what God has said. They have cast aside the only standard by which all conclusions must be decided which is the Holy Scriptures. If they ever read it they would do well to remember Paul’s statement to the Corinthians about his teaching (2 Cor. 1:13).
The allegorical or metaphorical method of teaching according to Paul was contrary to sound biblical exegesis and according to the world’s wisdom. Why not let Paul instruct those who use the metaphorical method.

“Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ” (Col. 2:8).

In 2 Cor.1:13 Paul said:

“...our dealings with you, have been absolutely aboveboard and sincere before God. They have not been marked by any worldly wisdom, but by the grace of God. Our letters to you have no double meaning-they mean just what you understand them to mean when you read them” (Phillips translation).

“…we mean by our letters nothing else than what you read in them and understand us to mean” (Knox translation).

“You don’t have to read between the lines of my letters; you can understand them.” (Moffatt Translation).

In His Grace

4 Scripture for marriage in heaven. Note Matt 22:30 DocTrinsograce Wed 07/30/14, 1:32pm 240959
  You're welcome Patty... I often press the CTRL key and the plus key to increase the size of the display on the computer monitor. I can't see too much either! :-)
5 Scripture for marriage in heaven. Note Matt 22:30 Mimi Patty Wed 07/30/14, 12:39pm 240958
  Thanks so much, Doc. My husband asked some questions the other day. My glasses are being fixed and I couldn't read my concordance clearly enough to find the answer. lol
SO.....I appreciate your help. YOURS IN CHRIST, Patty
6 The Prime of Life is Fleeting Note Eccl 11:10 DocTrinsograce Tue 07/29/14, 4:46pm 240956
  When I consider how my light is spent
Ere half my days in this dark world and wide,
And that one talent which is death to hide
Lodg'd with me useless, though my soul more bent
To serve therewith my Maker, and present
My true account, lest He returning chide.

--John Milton (1655)
7 Grace Note Gal 6:8 DocTrinsograce Mon 07/28/14, 4:42pm 240950
  "The law demands what it cannot give; grace gives all it demands." --Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
8 Grace begins with Paul in Acts (? Note Acts 9:1 DocTrinsograce Sun 07/27/14, 6:43pm 240944
  Hi, heislord12...

Ah, I see. I do not doubt that I would get the same answer from those whose dispensationalism you described as distorted. That doesn't leave much hope for someone willing to listen to a variant hermeneutic argued.

Consequently, in the very same vein, a good answer to your original question (#240931) ought to be: "No (cf the Bible)." Perhaps there are others here in the forum who will want to answer "Yes" with the same citation. :-)

In Him, Doc
9 Grace begins with Paul in Acts (? Note Acts 9:1 heislord12 Sun 07/27/14, 5:47pm 240943
  The Bible.
10 Grace begins with Paul in Acts (? Note Acts 9:1 DocTrinsograce Sun 07/27/14, 4:58pm 240940
  Hi, heislord12...

So the SDA, Lindsey, and LaHaye would not be deemed classic dispensationalists? A distortion implies that a standard exists from which deviations can be measured. What is the work on the subject to which adherents of CD agree is definitive?

In Him, Doc
11 Grace begins with Paul in Acts (? Note Acts 9:1 heislord12 Sun 07/27/14, 4:03pm 240939
  Classic Dispensationalism is utterly void of "prophecy mongering" or the likes of Ellen White. The "versions" of Classic Dispensationalism are distortions. CD is not based upon the number of times it appears in the Bible; comparisons are not valid. Therefore, I would never present "differences." There is One Lord, One Faith, One Holy Spirit transformation, One God and Father of us all, identified Spiritually in the Trinity, One Spiritual interpretation and application of God's Word, none of man or denomination. The Body of Christ IS, one-by-one, those who are saved by grace through faith, the awesome gift of God for those who believe. John 14:6, John 3:16-17, John 3:3, John 5:24, Romans 10:8-13, Ephesians 2:8-9, and the familiar "Roman Road" are all informative.

Classic Dispensationalism simply points out that the imperatives for the Jews, their "group" redemption, and water baptism, are not imperatives for Christians, who are born again by grace through faith, not of works, deeds, efforts, memberships, doctrine, or any declaration other than the profession of trust-faith by each individual (Romans 10:8-13).

Thanks for your responses.

In Him :-)
12 Grace and Grace Alone Note Ps 45:2 DocTrinsograce Sun 07/27/14, 2:53pm 240937
  "What comes from this throne of grace is pure grace, and nothing else; clear grace, free grace; grace that is not mixed, nor need be mixed with works of righteousness that we have done. It is of itself sufficient to answer all our wants, to heal all our diseases and to help us at a time of need. It is grace that chooses, it is grace that calls, it is grace that preserves, and it is grace that brings to glory; even the grace that like a river of water of life proceeds from this throne. And hence it is, that from first to last, we must cry, Grace, grace unto it!" --John Bunyan (1628-1688)
13 Grace begins with Paul in Acts (? Note Acts 9:1 DocTrinsograce Sun 07/27/14, 2:49pm 240936
  Dear heislord12,

That's a very good reminder! A number of years ago I posted a set of fundamental principles for Biblical interpretation (see ID# 156918). The "contextual rule" was number two in the list.

Thank you for the reminder.

In Him, Doc
14 Grace begins with Paul in Acts (? Note Acts 9:1 DocTrinsograce Sun 07/27/14, 2:45pm 240935
  Hi, heislord12...

I do not recall using the word invent. The word I used was taught. Darby and Scofield both taught a kind of dispensationalism, although from what I can understand, there are several varieties, including that which has been popularized by prophecy mongering in the last 30 years or so. I believe that Ellen White taught a variation of dispensationalism too. I would not be able to distinguish classic dispensationalism from other varieties. Do you know where these forms are documented? I would like to learn a bit more about how they differ and who teaches which version.

I know that the word oikonomia (dispensation or economy or stewardship) appears four times in Scripture (once in the first epistle to the Corinthians, once in the epistle to Colossians, and twice in Ephesians) although the context is not the same. As opposed to some 300 occurrences of the word covenant, for example, it stands to reason that as a perspective it would have received only recent attention in 2 millennia of Christian study.

In Him, Doc
15 Grace begins with Paul in Acts (? Note Acts 9:1 heislord12 Sun 07/27/14, 12:09pm 240934
  The context, the audience, is critical, for example, in Matthew, written entirely to Jews concerning their Messiah and their Kingdom of God on earth.
16 Grace begins with Paul in Acts (? Note Acts 9:1 heislord12 Sun 07/27/14, 12:06pm 240933
  Darby-Scofield did not "invent" classic dispensationalism. It is there from the beginning.
17 Not merely reasonable... Note Ps 92:6 DocTrinsograce Wed 07/23/14, 6:50pm 240915
  "I hold that belief in God is not merely as reasonable as other belief, or even a little or infinitely more probably true than other belief; I hold rather that unless you believe in God you can logically believe in nothing else." --Cornelius Van Til (1895-1987)
18 The Treasure of Fearing the Lord Note Ps 22:23 DocTrinsograce Tue 07/22/14, 5:33pm 240913
  "Christian, let God's distinguishing love to you be a motive to you to fear Him greatly. He has put His fear in your heart, and may not have given that blessing to your neighbor, perhaps not to your husband, your wife, your child, or your parent. Oh, what an obligation should this thought lay upon your heart to greatly fear the Lord! Remember also that this fear of the Lord is His treasure, a choice jewel, given only to favorites, and to those who are greatly beloved." --John Bunyan (1628-1688)
19 who will be taken Note Luke 17:34 LittleJewel Tue 07/22/14, 11:38am 240909
  Thank you for the clear explanation of the passage.
You have given excellent Biblical cross references.
You have answered my question - posted 7-22-2014.
God's blessings to you.
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