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1 The least sin... Note Job 31:23 DocTrinsograce Mon 09/15/14, 4:29pm 241243
  “There is more evil in the least sin than in the greatest calamity. There is more evil in the least sin than in the greatest misery.” –Edmund Calamy (1671-1732)
2 Was cain fathered by the serpant? Note Gen 4:2 Kri Hu Sat 09/13/14, 6:16pm 241224
  I have always wondered about this too
3 Why pray? Note 1 Thess 5:17 azurelaw Sat 09/13/14, 6:10am 241216
  Dear redskins,

I think the below link might be helpful.

http://www.gotquestions.org/why-pray.html

Shalom
Azure
4 torment in hell annihilation in the lake Note Rev 19:20 Beja Fri 09/12/14, 2:46pm 241214
  allisraelsaved,

I think you are mistaken about it meaning until the end of the age. The greek behind "forever and ever" assuming we are referring to Rev 20:10 says literally unto the age of ages. It was the way the new testament says what you and I would mean by forever. Contrast that with the end of Matthew where Jesus literally says until the close of the age. So they could very specifically state until the end of the age with biblical greek, the phrase unto the age of ages is something quite different meaning extending throughout them all.

In Christ, Beja
5 torment in hell annihilation in the lake Note Rev 19:20 Movingon Fri 09/12/14, 1:23pm 241213
  Hey EdB, Yours was a good response to allisraelsaved. He indeed is on dangerous ground. He is trying to re-write what the Scriptures say with worldly wisdom. Paul the Apostle said: “…the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God” (1Co 3:19.

It is noticeable that he did not back up his words with Scripture which could not be otherwise when one is trying to deny what the Word says. The danger he is promoting can mislead other weaker Brothers and Sisters in Christ and his heresy must be exposed for what it is.

To allisraelsaved. I like your user name if indeed you are speaking of ethnic Israel. I also believe all Israel will be redeemed (Rom. 11:25-26). Please do not be offended allisraelsaved with my words. I only am writing this for the good of Brothers and Sisters in Christ who might be misled.

As to all Israel being saved and redeemed, the Scriptutres say:

"For on My holy mountain, on the mountain height of Israel,” says the Lord God, “there all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, shall serve Me; there I will accept them, and there I will require your offerings and the first-fruit’s of your sacrifices, together with all your holy things. “I will accept you as a sweet aroma when I bring you out from the peoples and gather you out of the countries where you have been scattered; and I will be hallowed in you before the Gentiles. “Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I bring you into the land of Israel, into the country for which I lifted My hand in and oath to give to your fathers. “And there you shall remember your ways and all your doings with which you were defiled; and you shall loathe yourselves in your own sight because of all the evils that you have committed. “Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have dealt with you for My name’s sake, not according to your wicked ways nor according to your corrupt doings, O house of Israel,” says the Lord God" (Ezekiel 20:40 44.

Furthermore:

"Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity. “Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it. “So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds. “When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name when they said of them, ‘these are the people of the Lord, and yet they have gone out of His land.’ “But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations where they had gone. “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. “And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes” (Ezek. 36:17 23).

Keep up the good work EdB.

In His grace

Movingon
6 torment in hell annihilation in the lake Note Rev 19:20 allisraelsaved Thu 09/11/14, 9:10pm 241210
  first forever and ever is not eternity, but till
the end of the age. the age that started in Gen
1:1 and ends when the earth is destroyed. I believed
ECT until a few months ago, and I read somewhere
that the best defense for ECT was the beast and
the false prophet in the lake of fire for over
a 1000 years. And I always looked at the beast
because 666 is the number of a man, so we know
that the beast is a man, the one day a still
small voice told me to "LOOK AT THE OTHER ONE"
and in REV 13:15 "And he had power" everything
clicked, and now I believe that the wicked are
tormented in hell and then annihilated in the
lake of fire. And now a new question, Who
torments the wicked in hell, God or satan.
We are told that God created hell but it does
not say that God created it as a place of
fire and torment just that He created it for
satan and his angels and its only satans followers
that are tormented? So is keeping the beast and
the false prophet alive satan's way of tormenting
them. God throws them into the lake of fire, but
its satan that keeps them alive.
7 torment in hell annihilation in the lake Note Rev 19:20 Beja Thu 09/11/14, 6:29pm 241209
  EdB,

You said: "To do it you need a way to explain extra-Bibically why the beast and false prophet were mentioned in a present after being thrown in the lake of fire."

I took the "in a present" part to be referring to a present tense, and in the context of your post it sounded to me like you were trying to refer to Rev 20:10. I'm not sure where else you would be referring to. If I misread you I apologize. I'm not suggesting in any way that Rev 20:10 teaches anihilation. I personally believe scripture teaches eternal torment.

As for my motive it was as I said, "just to be fair." I thought you were saying he needed to explain a present tense verb there, when there isn't actually one to be explained.

In Christ, Beja
8 torment in hell annihilation in the lake Note Rev 19:20 EdB Thu 09/11/14, 5:18pm 241208
  Actually I didn't mention verb nor did I mention any particular verse in my last reply.

But if we go to verse Revelation 20:10 you mentioned (NASB)
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

I think the words tormented day and night forever and ever paints a fairly vivid picture of eternity. Don't you?

I also think the Greek word kai which is translated also suggests the Beast and false prophet are present when Satan is thrown in.

Interestingly Allisraelsaved was not challenging the wording or verb tense of scripture. Allisraelsaved point was only who was keeping the false prophet and the beast alive.

I find your comments interesting and causes me to wonder why you felt complied to make them.
9 torment in hell annihilation in the lake Note Rev 19:20 Beja Thu 09/11/14, 9:12am 241207
  EdB,

I'm not an anhilationist but just to be fair, if you are referring to Rev 20:10 there is not actually a present tense verb there in the greek. The verb is left implied.

In Christ, Beja
10 torment in hell annihilation in the lake Note Rev 19:20 EdB Thu 09/11/14, 7:03am 241206
  You are trying to make the case of total annililation. To do it you need a way to explain extra-Bibically why the beast and false prophet were mentioned in a present after being thrown in the lake of fire. You are giving credit for this to Satan.
That is a dangerous position to take.

First no where in scripture does it suggest Satan has the power to sustain life. Secondly because Jesus holds the keys of Death, Hell and the grave. Jesus controls life not Satan. Thirdly Satan's ilk is to deceive how better to deceive people than convince them eternal punishment for the rejection of Christ isn't valid.

Satan does not have the power to keep anyone alive either here on earth or in the Lake of Fire. Since the beast and the false Prophet are alive in the Lake of Fire proves scripture that tells us our spirits are eternal. We live eternally with Christ because of our belief in Him or we live eternally in damnation because of our rejection of Jesus. Do not add to scripture.
11 torment in hell annihilation in the lake Note Rev 19:20 allisraelsaved Wed 09/10/14, 10:50pm 241205
  satan does not give life to the beast and the false
prophet, but satan gives them POWER and it is this POWER that keeps them alive. So satan is not creating
life because the beast and the false prophet are
cast ALIVE into the lake of fire
12 buying something u know u will refund? Note OT general justme Wed 09/10/14, 8:25pm 241204
  Beja: Blessings dear brother: Just a word to say yes buying something, with the intention of using it and after you got what you needed for a product, is in my humble opinion a sin. I know of a large store that sells Coleman air bed matresses. People use to buy then and use them for vacation, and return them after they got home. Due to the huge abuse of dishonest people the policy now is NO RETURNS on air mattresses. Who wants a used air mattress? The huge financial loss in this one item was unbelievable. There are many more items like this that store owners deal with all year long. As Christians this is telling a lie, and a form of stealing. I am sure many of have never thought about this in depth. Blessings Beja.


justme
13 buying something u know u will refund? Note OT general justme Wed 09/10/14, 8:25pm 241203
  Beja: Blessings dear brother: Just a word to say yes buying something, with the intention of using it and after you got what you needed for a product, is in my humble opinion a sin. I know of a large store that sells Coleman air bed matresses. People use to buy then and use them for vacation, and return them after they got home. Due to the huge abuse of dishonest people the policy now is NO RETURNS on air mattresses. Who wants a used air mattress? The huge financial loss in this one item was unbelievable. There are many more items like this that store owners deal with all year long. As Christians this is telling a lie, and a form of stealing. I am sure many of have never thought about this in depth. Blessings Beja.


justme
14 ... Note Matt 5:29 justme Wed 09/10/14, 8:12pm 241202
  Movingon: I would like to gently give you my opinion, and I mean no snarky attitude. I have been with the Study Bible forum for a good number of years. I know there more than a few who have written books, and tracts. I can't recall anyone before recommending their own books and who it was that published it. That to me is unethical. Lockman who has blessed us to have this Study Bible Forum has made is quite clear we are to answer with Scripture. Now if someone else mentions an author that's something else. But to suggest a book you wrote is pretty much selling your book on Lockmans site. Perhaps you never looked at it this way, but I kindly suggest you reconsider recommending your books on this forum.

Should anyone have a different opinion please free to express you thoughts if you feel otherwise.

Justme
15 ... Note Matt 5:29 Movingon Wed 09/10/14, 6:56pm 241201
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