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21 story of ruth i need a commentary Answer Ruth Pew Potato Sun 09/5/10, 12:53pm 224279
  The Masters Seminary has an excellent list called 850 Books for Biblical Expositors.

http://www.tms.edu/pdf/850Books.pdf

For Ruth, they recommend:

*Hubbard, Robert L. The Book of Ruth. NICOT; Eerdmans, 1988.

Atkinson, David. The Message of Ruth. InterVarsity, 1983.

Barber, Cyril J. Ruth: An Expositional Commentary. Moody, 1983.

Morris, Leon. Ruth, an Introduction and Commentary. TOTC; InterVarsity, 1968.
22 What end results come from Prov. 6:31? Answer Prov 6:31 Beja Wed 09/8/10, 8:28pm 224340
  biblenovice,

Why are you asking this question again when it has already spent a thread on it? Nevertheless I will answer.

You are horribly missreading this passage. This is not a passage that promises that a man who steals will always unfailingly pay back what he owes. For you to interpret it like that is a very huge mistake. Let me help you see what the passage is truely saying.

First, verses 20-35 is one complete passage addressing the subject of adultery. Read this as a full complete arguement. Verses 20 through 24 brings up and introduces what is being discussed. Verses 25 and 26 are instructions to avoid an adulteress. Verse 27 through 29 is the writer expressing that one who sleeps with the adultress will not be able to avoid punishment.

Now in that context we finally come to verses 30 and 31. Here the writer is trying to make a point. His arguement goes like this:

When we look at the law even when we see a poor person who though he has no malice, whom through his poverty he must finally choose to either starve or steal to survive, even such a person as this when he is found out must according to the law restore sevenfold. He is talking about the legal punishment, not a prophetic promise that it will come about! So he goes from this, that even somebody we can so very much sympathize with such as a starving man trying to feed his family must pay the consequences, how much more so will the fool who sleeps with another man's wife? And that is what we see in verses 32-35. It says the husband who was wronged will not stop from having his vengeance. So the point of this passage is NOT to say that you will one day get your money back. The point is that if a theif forced into crime from starvation will be punished, how much more an adulter who wrongs another man by sleeping with his wife! Something that there can never be a sympathetic reason for doing.

So in conclusion, you are missreading scripture. Scripture does not promise you that you will be getting your money back.

In Christ, Beja
23 What end results come from Prov. 6:31? Answer Prov 6:31 Setonahill Wed 09/8/10, 9:36pm 224341
  biblenovice
If you would but take the time to read Pro 6:23-35 you would then see that the context of these verses are about ADULTRY.
You need to understand the two verses you are trying to use for your argument are an allegory. The author is not talking about stealing food but your neighbors wife. Take notice that the first word in verse 32 is "BUT" which means it is nothing more than a continuation of the narrative from the above verses.
I'm sorry to say you are grasping at straws with these verses. Your argument for retribution is pretty thin if all you can bring up are these two verses.
I would say the only satisfaction you will get in this world is the knowledge that God will settle the debt for you on the day of judgement. That is unless that person gets saved and is forgiven his sins the same as you were forgiven yours. That means you are to forgive the wrong that has been done to you.
Setonahill






24 What end results come from Prov. 6:31? Answer Prov 6:31 Pew Potato Wed 09/8/10, 9:43pm 224342
  I think you may have a misunderstanding of the nature of the book of Proverbs:

As brief maxims, the verses in Proverbs are distilled, to-the-point sentences about life. They boil down, crystallize, and condense the experiences and observations of the writers. The brief but concentrated nature of the maxims cause their readers to reflect on their meanings. They tell what life is like and how life should be lived. In a terse, no-words-wasted fashion, some statements in Proverbs relate what is commonly observed in life; others recommend or exhort how life should be lived. And when advice is given, a reason for the counsel usually follows.

Many of the proverbial maxims should be recognized as guidelines, not absolute observations; they are not iron-clad promises.

- The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty
25 How long were the Jews in captivity Answer Jer 25:12 Searcher56 Wed 09/1/10, 3:49pm 224226
  God's day to you, again, deafowler3,

They were in Babylon for 70 years (Jer 25:11-12, 29:10; Dan 9:2,24).

Searcher

26 women as song leaders Answer Hab 3:19 Searcher56 Wed 09/1/10, 3:09pm 224220
  God's day to yu, Mitch,

I directed you to their site, and let you know there is a link to ask questions. That is the proper place to ask - not here.

Searcher

27 women as song leaders Answer Hab 3:19 justme Thu 09/2/10, 12:20am 224230
  Mitch: I know of no Scriptual reason NOT to have a Christian female as a song leader. But that is again left up to each church.


Personally, women are far more talented than just as a care giver for infants and childre, Why do you ask?


justme
28 women as song leaders Answer Hab 3:19 Pew Potato Thu 09/2/10, 9:24am 224234
  I agree with the others - you need to check with the specific church.

The broader question is whether a Song Leader needs to meet the qualifications of an elder. Many churches consider the Worship Leader position as a pastoral/teaching role since worship music also teaches theology. I personally feel the worship leader needs to be meet the elder qualifications, which would limit this role to men.


"For a woman to serve as a worship leader or music minister in a church is a more difficult issue. Part of the difficulty in making application here lies in the lack of uniform agreement among various church traditions regarding the role and function of one who serves in such a ministry. It is certainly possible for a woman to serve in a position in which she leads in congregational singing during a church worship service. However, it would depend on how that particular church understands the degree of authority that she holds over the assembled congregation and the extent to which she provides instruction. Is her position understood as one of authority over the congregation similar to a pastor/elder? Does she provide doctrinal commentary between songs or other doctrinal instruction to the choir or congregation? Does her “leading” involve the exercising of authority over others or, rather, providing leadership regarding timing, tempo, music, etc.? Does she direct the church to a particular song in a hymnal and invite those assembled to praise the Lord, or does she engage in more biblical exhortation like a pastor/elder? Churches ought to take these kinds of questions into consideration when attempting to apply biblical principles to this ministry position."

- “Women in Ministry: Practical Application of Biblical Teaching” – Journal for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood 13, no. 1 (Spring) (Christopher Cowan)
29 Why are there conflicting answers? Answer Hab 3:19 justme Thu 09/2/10, 1:21pm 224238
  JPatt: Your are correct it does depend on nondenominational and denominational beliefs. The very fundamentalist nondenominationist churches,generally speaking, do not allow women to partiscipate in worshp services. Some of these fundamentialist churches do not even allow a woman to teach in Sunday School. However, generally speaking, women are allowed to work in the nursery with infants, babies, and toddlers. Perhaps, once they are potty trained the men take over the responsibality of Bible teaching.

My personal beliefe in wonem in the churchnot in agreement with the information above.

I believe women in church ministry is biblical. I agree in the Ordination of women for certian ministryal postitions. Again this is a denominational position that I was Ordained with and pastored in. Blessings.


justme
30 women as song leaders Note Hab 3:19 justme Thu 09/2/10, 1:37pm 224239
  Pew Potato: Often I have read the position you have stated, and it extends to other points beyond just what you have presented. Usually, when I have asked the question where does the culture at the time, relate to, in Pauls writtings. For instance we do not demand that women cover their heads today. Was head covering for women at the time of Pauls instructions, relating to culture or is it wrong for women not to cover their head today? Blessings.


justme
31 women as song leaders Note Hab 3:19 Pew Potato Thu 09/2/10, 3:07pm 224243
  I believe that the principle of a woman being under her husband's authority is timeless.

1 Corinthians 11:3 (HCSB)
But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of the woman, and God is the head of Christ.

I believe that the head covering as a sign of that authority was cultural.
32 women as song leaders Note Hab 3:19 justme Thu 09/2/10, 4:23pm 224245
  Pew Potato: I just want to assure you I am not a "Flame throwing Liberal". It is out of respect and kindness that I continue this subject.

Am I right to say you believe women should wore a head covering in church now?

We live near and are close friends with the Mennoite brethern. These dear Christians have made their point of living isolated from the "world" by using horse and buggies and adopting what some say are primitive ways. We are able to look beyond some stark differences, and enjoy some very interesting serious biblical dialogues. I have said this so you better understand my interest with you.

Blessings.


justme
33 women as song leaders Answer Hab 3:19 Setonahill Thu 09/2/10, 4:23pm 224246
  Mitch1029
While I whole heartedly believe 1Tim 2:12. I do not in the case of a woman song leader believe that this verse or any of the other verses forbidding women to talk in church would apply. There isn't any usurping of authority or the teaching of man. When it comes to the point of worshiping the Lord were all equal.
Setonahill
34 women as song leaders Note Hab 3:19 DocTrinsograce Thu 09/2/10, 4:49pm 224247
  Complementarianism is predicated on equality.

http://www.theopedia.com/Complementarianism
35 women as song leaders Note Hab 3:19 Pew Potato Thu 09/2/10, 5:36pm 224248
  I think the physical symbol of a head covering applied to the culture of Corinth, but is not required in our culture. Most Americans do not associate a head covering with submission to authority.

However, I recognize that in some branches of the church, a woman without a head covering would be seen as rebellious.
36 women as song leaders Note Hab 3:19 Setonahill Thu 09/2/10, 5:48pm 224249
  Doc
Mine has not necessarily been a Complementarianism point of view of this matter.
It has more to do with the fact the church in some cases can take things to the extreme becoming more Pharisaic in their approach in adhering to the letter of the law rather than the spirit.Thus my comment about
the point of worship.
Setonahill
37 women as song leaders Note Hab 3:19 DocTrinsograce Thu 09/2/10, 7:19pm 224250
  Yes, ma'am...

I understood the implications. I was helping you clarify.

Compare Complementarianism with Egalitarianism:

http://www.theopedia.com/Egalitarianism

By the way, the Pharisees were closer to the mark than the independent thinking Sadducees (Matthew 22:29). The latter thinking is far more prevalent in our churches than the former!

Hmmm... I wonder if Egalitarianists would appreciate the connotation of being called Saduciaical. :-)

In Him, Doc
38 Why are there conflicting answers? Note Hab 3:19 JPatt Thu 09/2/10, 8:20pm 224252
  Thank you...I agree. The whole counsel of the Scriptures...that makes sense.
39 What does Zech 6:1-8 prophesy about Answer Zech 6:1 Morant61 Tue 08/31/10, 6:58am 224188
  Greetings Chomba!

Unless Scripture interprets prophecy for us, it is always a futile quest to fully understand it. :-)

However, the basic message can usually be gleaned, if not all of the details.

The message of Zechariah can best be understood as a two fold promise to Israel. A promise that Israel's punishment will not last forever and that those who hurt Israel will be held accountable.

In chapter one of Zechariah, four horses stood for four spirits of God sent out into the world, while four horns represented four great powers in the world who would be judged.

Thus, the easiest way to understand Zech. 6:1-8 is to see the four chariots as going out from God (from Israel, between the two mountains) and into the world to carry out God's judgment.

When did this happen? Most likely it happened when Israel was brought back into her own land again.

I hope this helps!

Your Brother in Christ,

Tim Moran
40 what does he mean about this verse Note Mark 10:25 Morant61 Tue 08/31/10, 6:40am 224185
  Greetings JPatt!

Thanks for the response!

There have been attempts over the years to make the saying less difficult.

One explanation was that maybe the word should have been 'rope' instead of 'camel'. However, in Greek, they are two different words. Some later manuscripts use the word for 'rope', rather than camel, but there is no textual support for such a reading.

Another explanation is that in Aramaic, the words for 'rope' and 'camel' are the same. However, the problem here is that the text is written in Greek, not Aramaic, so it really makes no difference.

A third view was that 'eye of the needle' referred to a really small gate through which a camel had to crawl. There was a needle gate, but it wasn't built until the middle ages, so it can't be what Jesus was referencing.


Either way, the text makes it clear that the difficulty is supposed to be there. That is why the disciples asked Jesus, 'Then, How can anyone be saved?' in v. 26.

They apparently understood Jesus' saying as being difficult even then. :-)

The link you provided is pretty good. They argue there that His statement was meant to be hyperbole and difficult.

Your Brother in Christ,

Tim Moran

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