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1 Please interpret John 9:4? Answer John 9:4 BradK Fri 09/10/10, 8:42am 224367
  Hello dalle,

Welcome to the Forum.

In considering the meaning of this verse, keep in mind the purpose of John's Gospel, "...that believing, you may have life in his name"

Back in John 5:36 we read, "But the testimony which I have is greater than the testimony of John; for the works which the Father has given Me to accomplish--the very works that I do--testify about Me, that the Father has sent Me."

Then, in 6:28 and 29, we're told "Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?"
Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."

Of John 9:4, the Bible Knowledge Commentary notes:

"Day means the time allotted for Jesus to do God’s will (to do the work of Him who sent Me). We includes the disciples and by extension all believers. Night is the limit set to do God’s works. In Jesus’ case it was His coming death. As the Light of the world Jesus gives people salvation (cf. 8:12). After His death, His disciples would be His lights (cf. Matt. 5:14; Eph. 5:8-14), bringing Christ to others."

I hope this helps,

BradK
2 Where did the tribe of Dan go? Answer Rev 7:8 Searcher56 Fri 09/10/10, 6:50am 224364
  Scripture ... Gen 49:17; Jud 17:1-18:31; 1 Ki 12:28-29; 1Ch 4-8; Eze 48; Hos 4:17, 7:1-16; Amo 8:11-14 ...

God's day to you, findrichard, and welcome to the SBF,

Not only is the tribe of Dan missing, but so is the tribe of Ephraim. Manasseh, Joseph and Levi are listed.

Ephraim and Dan were idolaters (Jud 17:1-18:31, Hos 4:17, 7:1-16; Amo 8:11-14).

Dan is the site of an idolatrous 1 Ki 12:28-29

It is interesting that Dan is omitted from the genealogies (1Ch 4-8). In Ezekiel 48, Ephraim is only listed in Division of the Land (vv 5-6), but not elsewhere.

Some think Genesis 49:17 says Dan is an image of Satan, because of serpent ... but Ephraim is also not in the Final 12.

This is only a guess,
Searcher

3 What kind of death is caused by sin?? Answer Rev 22:15 Searcher56 Fri 09/10/10, 6:18am 224362
  Scripture ... Gen 2:17, 3:3..23-24; Eph 2:1-10, Rev 20-22 ...

God's day to you, dlane705, and welcome to the SBF,

Sin separates us from God - spiritual death. We see this from Genesis to Revelation.

To physically die one has no sensation ... but to be physically and spiritually separated is a great pain. Think about the pain when you are apart from a loved one - with no contact. If you were dead, it wouldn't bother you ... but when alive, I have found it to be tough.

What do you think?
Searcher

4 When, what and who are included? Note Rev 7:14 findrichard Fri 09/10/10, 4:49am 224359
  BMyers. it is refreshing to see another brother without the delusion of thinking they have it all figured out. You are exactly right, there is no good reason to side with any of the theories. Jesus said it best, as recorded in Matthew 24: 36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[c] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. he will come like a thief in the night, when we least expect."
When it happens it happens, it will surprise us, and by God's Grace, we will remain true to the faith.
5 Is the "conflict" physical or spiritual? Answer Phil 1:30 findrichard Thu 09/9/10, 2:15pm 224357
  You are absolutely correct, Paul is talking about standing firm in the faith and enduring the persecution resulting from that. Paul obviously had many physical persecutions in his ministry but he was a man, and without a doubt struggled with spiritual warfare within himself as he so eloquently talks about in Ephesians 6:10-18 "10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints." But remember also that Paul's physical persecutions also must have caused spiritual conflict within him as well.
6 What is Man Psalm 8:4 Answer Rom 9:11 Beja Thu 09/9/10, 2:08pm 224356
  caronz,

I think David's point is that there is nothing in us that merits God's grace.

In Christ, Beja
7 Is the "conflict" physical or spiritual? Answer Phil 1:30 Beja Thu 09/9/10, 1:54pm 224354
  carrob,

If you read the context of this verse you will see that Paul is infact mentioning physical persecution. He has just discussed the fact that he is in prison for the gospel. And welcome to the forum, I hope you are blessed by it.

In Christ, Beja
8 Why do we follow rules taught by men? Note 2 Pet 1:20 findrichard Thu 09/9/10, 1:53pm 224353
  Thank you for the kind welcome lionheart. I hope to find some enlightened discussion on this site. It seems to get more activity than other sites I have visited. You hit the nail on the head with 2 Peter 1:20. I have found, generally speaking, that the more explanation one attaches to scripture the further from the truth they tend to wander in their explanation. Thank God that God's Word speaks quite plainly for itself.
9 SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH Answer Num 8:25 Pew Potato Thu 09/9/10, 12:11pm 224351
  Why were the Levites supposed to retire at age 50? The reasons were probably more practical than theological. (1) Moving the tabernacle and its furniture through the desert required strength. The younger men were more suited for the work of lifting the heavy articles. (2) The Levites over 50 did not stop working altogether. They were allowed to assist with various light duties in the tabernacle. This helped the younger men assume more responsibilities, and it allowed the older men to be in a position to advise and counsel them. — Life Application Bible Notes

Retirement did not mean removal from office. At fifty the Levite was to continue to function by serving his brothers. Generally, God's servants seem to have continued to serve him into old age, and till their death, according to the strength which he supplied (Dt. 34:7; 1 Sa. 4:14f.; 12:2; 2 Tim. 4:6-8; 2 Pet. 1:13-15).- New Bible Commentary: 21st century edition (D. A. Carson et al.)

See also http://www.desiringgod.org/Store/Booklets/ByTopic/All/799_Rethinking_Retirement/
10 Why do we follow rules taught by men? Answer 2 Pet 1:20 Beja Thu 09/9/10, 10:37am 224348
  findrichard,

If this is an arguement for gathering to worship on the sabbath rather than sunday, I think it would be much better if you utilized the forum's search feature. This has been discussed more than once on the forums and it would spare us another debate.

Furthermore, the intentions of this forum are for sincere questions. Whenever somebody comes asking a question that's not a question that usually means they are looking for a place to argue. What I mean by a "question that's not a question" is when somebody technically asks something but they already have their mind made up what the answer is. They simply are fishing for somebody to respond so that they can turn around and "educate" us on their viewpoint. I hope that's not what you are doing.

In Christ, Beja
11 Why do we follow rules taught by men? Answer 2 Pet 1:20 lionheart Thu 09/9/10, 9:24am 224347
  findrichard,
Welcome to the forum. First of all a couple of scriptures. 2 Iim 2:15 and 2 Pt 1:20,21. These are bedrock scriptures when it comes to how we handle God's Word. People take things out of context, twist scripture to make it say whatever they want to say and unfortunately this goes on everyday. As 2 Timothy says, we gotta accurately handle God's Word.

In Him,
lionheart
12 how do you explain to someone that does Answer 2 Cor 4:6 findrichard Thu 09/9/10, 8:23am 224344
  These instructions from Jesus in Matthew 10 may add clarity:
1He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil[a] spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
2These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; 3Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; 4Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.

5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[b]drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. 9Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts; 10take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep.

11"Whatever town or village you enter, search for some worthy person there and stay at his house until you leave. 12As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. 15I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. 16I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

17"Be on your guard against men; they will hand you over to the local councils and flog you in their synagogues. 18On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
13 What end results come from Prov. 6:31? Answer Prov 6:31 Pew Potato Wed 09/8/10, 9:43pm 224342
  I think you may have a misunderstanding of the nature of the book of Proverbs:

As brief maxims, the verses in Proverbs are distilled, to-the-point sentences about life. They boil down, crystallize, and condense the experiences and observations of the writers. The brief but concentrated nature of the maxims cause their readers to reflect on their meanings. They tell what life is like and how life should be lived. In a terse, no-words-wasted fashion, some statements in Proverbs relate what is commonly observed in life; others recommend or exhort how life should be lived. And when advice is given, a reason for the counsel usually follows.

Many of the proverbial maxims should be recognized as guidelines, not absolute observations; they are not iron-clad promises.

- The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty
14 What end results come from Prov. 6:31? Answer Prov 6:31 Setonahill Wed 09/8/10, 9:36pm 224341
  biblenovice
If you would but take the time to read Pro 6:23-35 you would then see that the context of these verses are about ADULTRY.
You need to understand the two verses you are trying to use for your argument are an allegory. The author is not talking about stealing food but your neighbors wife. Take notice that the first word in verse 32 is "BUT" which means it is nothing more than a continuation of the narrative from the above verses.
I'm sorry to say you are grasping at straws with these verses. Your argument for retribution is pretty thin if all you can bring up are these two verses.
I would say the only satisfaction you will get in this world is the knowledge that God will settle the debt for you on the day of judgement. That is unless that person gets saved and is forgiven his sins the same as you were forgiven yours. That means you are to forgive the wrong that has been done to you.
Setonahill






15 What end results come from Prov. 6:31? Answer Prov 6:31 Beja Wed 09/8/10, 8:28pm 224340
  biblenovice,

Why are you asking this question again when it has already spent a thread on it? Nevertheless I will answer.

You are horribly missreading this passage. This is not a passage that promises that a man who steals will always unfailingly pay back what he owes. For you to interpret it like that is a very huge mistake. Let me help you see what the passage is truely saying.

First, verses 20-35 is one complete passage addressing the subject of adultery. Read this as a full complete arguement. Verses 20 through 24 brings up and introduces what is being discussed. Verses 25 and 26 are instructions to avoid an adulteress. Verse 27 through 29 is the writer expressing that one who sleeps with the adultress will not be able to avoid punishment.

Now in that context we finally come to verses 30 and 31. Here the writer is trying to make a point. His arguement goes like this:

When we look at the law even when we see a poor person who though he has no malice, whom through his poverty he must finally choose to either starve or steal to survive, even such a person as this when he is found out must according to the law restore sevenfold. He is talking about the legal punishment, not a prophetic promise that it will come about! So he goes from this, that even somebody we can so very much sympathize with such as a starving man trying to feed his family must pay the consequences, how much more so will the fool who sleeps with another man's wife? And that is what we see in verses 32-35. It says the husband who was wronged will not stop from having his vengeance. So the point of this passage is NOT to say that you will one day get your money back. The point is that if a theif forced into crime from starvation will be punished, how much more an adulter who wrongs another man by sleeping with his wife! Something that there can never be a sympathetic reason for doing.

So in conclusion, you are missreading scripture. Scripture does not promise you that you will be getting your money back.

In Christ, Beja
16 Is it bibical for a church to require? Note John 8:7 Setonahill Wed 09/8/10, 5:54pm 224338
  Moran
Thanks for asking.
Yes the question was asked in my original post to dka (224291) then re-posted to Beja (224321).

My question to dka was to ascertain who the requirement was affecting.
"Has this taken place before only with other girls in the same position or is this a common practice where anyone in the congregation having committed any kind of sin had to do the same?"

Answer from dka
"This has taken place in this church with other girls in the same situation."


My concern in asking this question was to find out if the church was discriminating by only requiring the young girls to adhere to this regulation for restoration or were their other people having sinned that had to do the same. If the latter had been the case then I would have agreed with the churches standard but the answer was in the negative so I therefore disagree with the churches position on the grounds it singles out one sin which cannot be kept secret for very long thereby making it the most obvious to combat.
It then appears to me the church isn't so much concerned about sin in it's midst as much as it is in stamping out unwed pregnancy.
My objective in relating all of the sins that people could and do commit was to demonstrate the fact they were secret sins where the people committing such sins could stay undiscovered and while never having to go through this ritual themselves they could sit piously in the church judging young girls all the while being just as guilty yet unknown. The supposed forgiveness from these people would be a sham.
Thank you for the welcome
Setonahill


17 how do you explain to someone that does Answer 2 Cor 4:6 Lionstrong Wed 09/8/10, 12:56pm 224337
  The contents of the Bible ARE facts and reason. They are not irrational nonsense. And biblical faith is not a blind irrational leap in the dark.
If you meant what you said about explaining the truth of the Bible, then it's a matter of God giving you grace and wisdom to do the explaining. But if what you really meant was, "How do I get him to BELIEVE the truth of God's word?" then give up. You can't get anyone to believe the Bible because faith is the gift of God.
Eph 2:8, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;"

What we do is explain the truth of God's word and then ask the Lord to cause them to believe His truth that we've explained to them. An unbeliever is not an unbeliever because he does not understand the facts revealed in the Bible (of course he must understand them). He is an unbeliever because he does not BELIEVE the facts of the Gospel. Faith (believing) in Christ is the gift of God.

Ps 65:4 How blessed is the one whom You choose and bring near to You
To dwell in Your courts.
18 Is it bibical for a church to require? Answer John 8:7 Lionstrong Wed 09/8/10, 12:24pm 224336
  She's committed no sin against the church. So, she does not need to ask for their forgiveness. If a believer sins against another believer, the issue may come before the church if it's not resolved soon enough, but even then it's not a matter of the offender asking the church's forgiveness but of the church exercising discipline. See context of Mat. 18:17. Matt 18:17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector."
19 Is it bibical for a church to require? Note John 8:7 lionheart Wed 09/8/10, 9:27am 224335
  searcher,
Quite right. Disfellowshipment was not meant to be permanent. Restoration is always the goal.

In Him,
lionheart
20 Is it bibical for a church to require? Note John 8:7 Morant61 Wed 09/8/10, 6:03am 224334
  Greetings Setonahill!

I may have missed it, but has it been made clear that only this sin is dealt with in this manner?

Or is it all exposed sin?

As I have followed this thread, I was under the assumption that this particular sin was being asked about, but no where do I recall anyone saying that this was the only sin dealt with in the manner.

I must agree with Beja though that the fact that every secret sin cannot be exposed does not mitigate our responsibility as churches to deal with exposed sin. :-)

By the way, welcome to the forum! :-)

Your Brother in Christ,

Tim Moran
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