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On or After: Tuesday, January 16, 2007
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1 Need help on 1Samuel 1:24-28 for an outl Answer 1 Samuel Machaira Fri 01/19/07, 12:32pm 182579
  Since time is of the essence I'll give you some "copy and paste" by Albert Barnes. He gives a nice little summary of chapter 1. You'll need to read to the all of chapter 1 to understand what's going on in verses 24 - 28.

Albert Barnes

1 Samuel 1 -
Some account of Elkanah and his two wives, Peninnah and Hannah, 1Sa_1:1, 1Sa_1:2. His annual worship at Shiloh and the portions he gave at such times to his wives, 1Sa_1:3-5. Hannah, being barren, is reproached by Peninnah, especially in their going up to Shiloh; at which she is sorely grieved, 1Sa_1:6, 1Sa_1:7. Elkanah comforts her, 1Sa_1:8. Her prayer and vow in the temple, that if God would give her a son, she would consecrate him to His service, 1Sa_1:9-11. Eli, the high priest, indistinctly hearing her pray, charges her with being drunk, 1Sa_1:12-14. Her defense of her conduct, 1Sa_1:15, 1Sa_1:16. Eli, undeceived, blesses her; on which she takes courage, 1Sa_1:17, 1Sa_1:18. Hannah and Elkanah return home; she conceives, bears a son, and calls him Samuel, 1Sa_1:19, 1Sa_1:20. Elkanah and his family go again to Shiloh to worship; but Hannah stays at home to nurse her child, purposing, as soon as he is weaned, to go and offer him to the Lord, according to her vow, 1Sa_1:21-23. When weaned, she takes him to Shiloh, presents hear child to Eli to be consecrated to the Lord, and offers three bullocks, an ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, for his consecration, 1Sa_1:24-28.

2 just chapter9 Answer Daniel Machaira Fri 01/19/07, 2:06pm 182585
  Yes, portions of Daniel 9 are indeed difficult because there is no shortage of debate on what verses 24 - 27 mean. The following is a good overview of the chapter. It's long so I will post it in two parts.

In addition, I'll give you a link to some good commentaries so you can look up individual verses. The best ones (IMO) on that particular site are Adam Clarke, John Gill and "Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible." http://www.studylight.org/com/

Albert Barnes
Daniel 9 -
Analysis of the Chapter

This chapter is properly divided into three parts, or comprises three things:

I. The inquiry of Daniel into the time that the desolations of Jerusalem were to continue, and his determination to seek the Lord, to pray that his purpose in regard to the restoration of the city and temple might be speedily accomplished, Dan_9:1-3. Daniel says Dan_9:1, that this occurred in the first year of Darius of the seed of the Medes. He was engaged in the study of the books of Jeremiah. He learned from these books that seventy years were to elapse during which the temple, the city, and the land were to be desolate. By a calculation as to the time when this commenced, he was enabled to ascertain the period when it would close, and he found that that period was near, and that, according to the prediction, it might be expected that the time of the restoration was at hand. His mind was, of course, filled with the deepest solicitude. It would seem not improbable that he did not perceive any preparation for this, or any tendency to it, and it could not but be that he would be filled with anxiety in regard to it.
He does not appear to have entertained any doubt that the predictions would be fulfilled, and the fact that they were so clear and so positive was a strong reason why he should pray, and was the reason why he prayed so earnestly at this time. The prayer which he offered is an illustration of the truth that men will pray more earnestly when they have reason to suppose that God intends to impart a blessing, and that an assurance that an event is to occur is one of the strongest encouragements and incitements to prayer. So men will pray with more faith when they see that God is blessing the means of restoration to health, or when they see indications of an abundant harvest; so they will pray with the more fervour for God to bless his Word when they see evidences of a revival of religion, or that the time has come when God is about to display his power in the conversion of sinners; and so undoubtedly they will pray with the more earnestness as the proofs shall be multiplied that God is about to fulfill all his ancient predictions in the conversion of the whole world to himself. A belief that God intends to do a thing is never any hinderance to real prayer; a belief that he is in fact about to do it does more than anything else can do to arouse the soul to call with earnestness on his name.

II. The prayer of Daniel, Dan. 9:4-19. This prayer is remarkable for its simplicity, its fervour, its appropriateness, its earnestness. It is a frank confession that the Hebrew people, in whose name it was offered, had deserved all the calamities which had come upon them, accompanied with earnest intercession that God would now hear this prayer, and remove the judgments from the people, and accomplish his purpose of mercy toward the city and temple. The long captivity of nearly seventy years; the utter desolation of the city and temple during that time; the numberless privations and evils to which during that period they had been exposed, had demonstrated the greatness of the sins for which these calamities had come upon the nation, and Daniel now, in the name, and uttering the sentiments, of the captive people, confessed their guilt, and the justness of the Divine dealings with them. Never has there been an instance in which punishment has had more of its designed and appropriate effect than in prompting to the sentiments which are uttered in this prayer: and the prayer, therefore, is just the expression of what we “should” feel when the hand of the Lord has been long and severely laid upon us on account of our sins. The burden of the prayer is confession; the object which he who offers it seeks is, that God would cause the severity of his judgments to cease, and the city and temple to be restored. The particular points in the prayer will be more appropriately elucidated in the exposition of this part of the chapter.
3 just chapter9 Note Daniel Machaira Fri 01/19/07, 2:11pm 182586
  Daniel 9 part 2:

III. The answer to the prayer, Dan_9:20-27. The principal difficulty in the exposition of the chapter is in this portion; and indeed there is perhaps no part of the prophecies of the Old Testament that is, on some accounts, more difficult of exposition, as there is, in some respects, none more clear, and none more important. It is remarkable, among other things, as not being a direct answer to the prayer, and as seeming to have no bearing on the subject of the petition - that the city of Jerusalem might be rebuilt, and the temple restored; but it directs the mind onward to another and more important event - the coming of the Messiah, and the final closing of sacrifice and oblation, and a more entire and enduring destruction of the temple and city, after it should have been rebuilt, than had yet occurred. To give this information, an angel - the same one whom Daniel had seen before - was sent forth from heaven, and came near to him and touched him, and said that he was commissioned to impart to him skill and understanding, Dan_9:20-23. “The speediness of his coming indicates a joyful messenger. The substance of that message is as follows: As a compensation for the seventy years in which the people, the city, and the temple had been entirely prostrate, seventy weeks of years, seven times seventy years of a renewed existence would be secured to them by the Lord; and the end of this period, far from bringing the mercies of God to a close, would for the first time bestow them on the theocracy in their complete and full measure.” - Hengstenberg, “Christology,” it. 293. The “points” of information which the angel gives in regard to the future condition of the city are these:
(a) That the whole period determined in respect to the holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for the people, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy, was seventy weeks - evidently seventy prophetic weeks, that is, regarding each day as a year, four hundred and ninety years, Dan_9:24. The time when this period would “commence” - the “terminus a quo” - is not indeed distinctly specified, but the fair interpretation is, from that time when the vision appeared to Daniel, the first year of Darius, Dan_9:1. The literal meaning of the phrase “seventy weeks,” according to Prof. Stuart (“Hints on the Interpretation of Prophecy,” p. 82), is seventy sevens, that is, seventy sevens of years, or four hundred and ninety years. “Daniel,” says he, “had been meditating on the accomplishment of the seventy years of exile for the Jews, which Jeremiah had predicted. At the close of the fervent supplication for the people which he makes, in connection with his meditation, Gabriel appears, and announces to him that’” seventy sevens” are appointed for his people,’ as it respects the time then future, in which very serious and very important events are to take place. Daniel had been meditating on the close of the seventy years of Hebrew exile, and the angel now discloses to him a new period of seventy times seven, in which still more important events are to take place.”
4 just chapter9 Note Daniel Machaira Fri 01/19/07, 2:12pm 182587
  Last part of Daniel 9:

(b) This period of seventy sevens, or four hundred and ninety years, is divided by the angel into smaller portions, each of them determining some important event in the future. He says, therefore Dan_9:25, that from the going forth of the command to rebuild the temple, until the time when the Messiah should appear, the whole period might be divided into two portions - one of “seven sevens,” or forty-nine years, and the other of “threescore and two sevens” - sixty-two sevens, or four hundred and thirty-four years, making together four hundred and eighty-three years. This statement is accompanied with the assurance that the “street would be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.” Of these periods of seven weeks, sixty-two weeks, and one week, the close of the first is distinguished by the completion of the rebuilding of the city; that of the second by the appearing of the Anointed One, or the Messiah, the Prince; that of the third by the finished confirmation of the covenant with the many for whom the saving blessings designated in Dan_9:24, as belonging to the end of the whole period, are designed. The last period of one week is again divided into two halves. While the confirmation of the covenant extends through it, from beginning to end, the cessation of the sacrifice and meat-offering, and the death of the Anointed One, on which this depends, take place in the middle of it.
(c) The Messiah would appear after the seven weeks - reaching to the time of completing the rebuilding of the city - and the sixty-two weeks following that (that is, sixty-nine weeks altogether) would have been finished. Throughout half of the other week, after his appearing, he would labor to confirm the covenant with many, and then die a violent death, by which the sacrifices would be made to cease, while the confirmation of the covenant would continue even after his death.
(d) A people of a foreign prince would come and destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of all would be a “flood” - an overflowing calamity, until the end of the desolations should be determined, Dan_9:26-27. This fearful desolation is all that the prophet sees in the end, except that there is an obscure intimation that there would be a termination of that. But the design of the vision evidently did not reach thus far. It was to show the series of events after the rebuilding of the city and temple up to the time when the Messiah would come; when the great atonement would be made for sin, and when the oblations and sacrifices of the temple would finally cease; cease in fact and naturally, for the one great sacrifice, superseding them all, would have been offered and because the people of a foreign prince would come and sweep the temple and the altar away.
The design of the whole annunciation is, evidently, to produce consolation in the mind of the prophet. He was engaged in profound meditation on the present state, and the long-continued desolations of the city and temple. He gave his mind to the study of the prophecies to learn whether these desolations were not soon to end. He ascertained beyond a doubt that the period drew near. He devoted himself to earnest prayer that the desolation might not longer continue; that God, provoked by the sins of the nation, would no longer execute his fearful judgments, but would graciously interpose, and restore the city and temple. He confessed ingenuously and humbly the sins of his people; acknowledged that the judgments of God were just but pleaded earnestly, in view of his former mercies to the same people, that he would now have compassion, and fulfill his promises that the city and temple should be restored.
An answer is not given “directly,” and in the exact form in which it might have been hoped for; but an answer is given, in which it is “implied” that these blessings so earnestly sought would be bestowed, and in which it is “promised” that there would be far greater blessings. It is “assumed” in the answer Dan_9:25 that the city would be rebuilt, and then the mind is directed onward to the assurance that it would stand through seven times seventy years - seven times as long as it had now been desolate, and that “then” what had been the object of the desire of the people of God would be accomplished; that for which the city and temple had been built would be fulfilled - the Messiah would come, the great sacrifice for sin would be made, and all the typical arrangements of the temple would come to an end. Thus, in fact, though not in form, the communication of the angel was an answer to prayer, and that occurred to Daniel which often occurs to those who pray - that the direct prayer which is offered receives a gracious answer, and that; there accompanies the answer numberless other mercies which are drawn along in the train; or, in other words, that God gives us manymore blessings than we ask of him.
5 Need help on 1Samuel 1:24-28 for an outl Answer 1 Samuel Tammy Roesch Sat 01/20/07, 8:21am 182623
  Hannah's prayer was granted; she received the gift for which she had so earnestly entreated. As she looked upon the child, she called him Samuel--"asked of God." As soon as the little one was old enough to be separated from his mother, she fulfilled her vow. She loved her child with all the devotion of a mother's heart; day by day, as she watched his expanding powers and listened to his childish prattle, her affections entwined about him
more closely. He was her only son, the special gift of Heaven; but she had received him as a treasure consecrated to God, and she would not withhold from the Giver His own.
Once more Hannah journeyed with her husband to Shiloh and presented to the priest, in the name of God, her precious gift, saying, "For this child I prayed; and the Lord hath given me my petition which I asked of Him: therefore also I have lent him to the Lord; as long as he liveth he shall be lent to the Lord." Eli was deeply impressed by the faith and devotion of this woman of Israel. Himself an overindulgent father, he was awed and humbled as he beheld this mother's great sacrifice in parting with her only child, that she might devote him to the service of God. He felt reproved for his own selfish love, and in humiliation and reverence he bowed before the Lord and worshiped.
From Shiloh, Hannah quietly returned to her home at Ramah, leaving the child Samuel to be trained for service in the house of God, under the instruction of the high priest. From the earliest dawn of intellect she had taught her son to love and reverence God and to regard himself as the Lord's. By every familiar object surrounding him she had sought to lead his thoughts up to the Creator. When separated from her child, the faithful mother's solicitude did not cease. Every day he was the subject of her prayers. Every year she made, with her own hands, a robe of service for him; and as she went up with her husband to worship at Shiloh, she gave the child this reminder of her love. Every fiber of the little garment had been woven with a prayer that he might be pure, noble, and true. She did not ask for her son worldly greatness, but she earnestly pleaded that he might attain that greatness which Heaven values--that he might honor God and bless his fellow men.
What a reward was Hannah's! and what an encouragement to faithfulness is her example! There are opportunities of inestimable worth, interests infinitely precious, committed to every mother. The humble round of duties which women have come to regard as a wearisome task should be looked upon as a grand and noble work. It is the mother's privilege to bless the world by her influence, and in doing this she will bring joy to her own heart. She may make straight paths for the feet of her children, through sunshine and shadow, to the glorious heights above. But it is only when she seeks, in her own life, to follow the teachings of Christ that the mother can hope to form the character of her children after the divine pattern. The world teems with corrupting influences. Fashion and custom exert a strong power over the young. If the mother fails in her duty to instruct, guide, and restrain, her children will naturally accept the evil, and turn from the good. Let every mother go often to her Saviour with the prayer, "Teach us, how shall we order the child, and what shall we do unto him?" Let her heed the instruction which God has given in His word, and wisdom will be given her as she shall have need.
"The child Samuel grew on, and was in favor both with the Lord, and also with men." Though Samuel's youth was passed at the tabernacle devoted to the worship of God, he was not free from evil influences or sinful example. The sons of Eli feared not God, nor honored their father; but Samuel did not seek their company nor follow their evil ways. It was his constant endeavor to become what God would have him. This is the privilege of every youth. God is pleased when even little children give themselves to His service.
Samuel had been placed under the care of Eli, and the loveliness of his character drew forth the warm affection of the aged priest. He was kind, generous, obedient, and respectful. Eli, pained by the waywardness of his own sons, found rest and comfort and blessing in the presence of his charge. Samuel was helpful and affectionate, and no father ever loved his child more tenderly than did Eli this youth. It was a singular thing that between the chief magistrate of the nation and the simple child so warm an affection should exist. As the infirmities of age came upon Eli, and he was filled with anxiety and remorse by the profligate course of his own sons, he turned to Samuel for comfort.

This above quote is taken from a book called Patriarch's and Prophets, pages 571 to 573, by Ellen White. It has been a great encouragement to me. I hope you find it a help for your assignment... Tammy
6 DEPRESSION AND CHURCH ATTENDANCE Note Bible general Archive 3 savedbyunmeritedfavor Sat 01/20/07, 3:31pm 182667
After re-reading your answer, I must correct you for assuming I am looking for an excuse not attend church and that I am wanting a Brother or Sister to condone my not attending church. Quite the contrary, I am asking for sincere comments and perhaps, prayer, not incorrect judgement of my motives for asking the questions. You are forgiven. We all make mistakes!
May we all "grow in wisdom"!
7 Conflict between business and pastor (?)Answered 2 Thess 3:8 Brian#9 Sat 01/20/07, 5:58pm 182699
  I have a question. How could a pastor find the time to run and own a business and pastor a church at the same time?

Yes some of Christ's disciples were fisherman 'before' being called. Christ was a carpenter 'before' His time. And Paul resumed tent making as a occupation when necessary for personal support. I find it hard to believe that a pastor with a demanding schedule, getting up early, burning the midnight oil in prayer and the study of the Word. With the burden to reach as many souls for Christ as he can could own and run a business. Unless he only owned it in name only. Otherwise there seems to be a conflict of interests. Would he not have to leave one to become a pastor? Which brings to mind what I heard Dr. Lee Roberson say. "A pastor never retires" He is 97.

In His Hand,
8 DEPRESSION AND CHURCH ATTENDANCE Note Bible general Archive 3 jlhetrick Sat 01/20/07, 6:02pm 182700
  Hello again saved.

The post by kalos was very informative. Allow me to comment further. It's not the plane that takes God's message to the lost that is the issue. It's the multiple planes and homes and cars and boats, most expensive clothing and jewelry, etc., etc., etc. that is the concern. furthermore, it is the way in which they obtain their wealth that is the most sinful. Selling prayer and even salvation if that were possible.

As for the taxes for the bombs, I'm thankful to be safe in a cruel and hateful world.

I do want to address something very specific that you wrote. I will quote you.
"I believe if a minister's Material blessings stem from His or Her "GIVING"
it is scriptual for them to be blessed for the "KINGDOM'S SAKE". In other words, being too poor can not represent the KING OF KINGS very well. "

I respectfully say that your theology needs correcting from Scripture. What best represents the Christian life lived out here on earth is exemplified in the recorded lives of Jesus Christ, Paul, and others. I'll leave you to study that on your own, but I will say that material poverty was certainly the case.

"in other words" my friend, being poor or rich has little or nothing to do with representing the Kingdom of God. It is in what we do with the little we have or the abundance we might be blessed with that will demonstrate the work of Christ in us. Of course it is also true that many who "name it and claim it" in the name of the Lord might be said to best represent what the Kingdom is not.

In the love of Christ I urge you to find a bible teaching church. Know for sure that faith is a gift of God and nothing we are capable of producing ourselves (Romans 13:3, Eph 2:8) It is not a magical thing set in motion by the intensity of our thoughts, words, and efforts resulting in our prosper.

I hope this helps,
9 Conflict between business and pastor Answer 2 Thess 3:8 DocTrinsograce Sat 01/20/07, 6:33pm 182704
  Hi, Brian...

I don't think anyone is arguing that point. The question used the word "can." However, taking into account the modern vernacular, I inferred that they were asking an ethical question. The clear answer of Scripture is that such behavior is not prohibited. The questioner did not ask about the sagacity or efficiency of such ministerial activity.

Clearly, pastors who are required to "serve tables" rather than being given "continually to prayer, and the ministry of the word" (Acts 6:2-4), will be less effective in their ministries. Obviously, this assertion does not take into account the power of the Holy Spirit to fully compensate for human weakness. But remember the John Bunyans and William Careys God, in His providence, has given our world! :-)

Personally, I am persuaded that a pastor who must work does not reflect a problem with the man, as much as it reflects a problem with the congregation. Of course, this is one of the reasons some churches provide temporary financing for church plants. Some denominations, also, designate funds and administration for this purpose.

In Him, Doc
10 parental responsibility and serving Answer Bible general Archive 3 savedbyunmeritedfavor Sun 01/21/07, 9:55am 182733
  Perhaps it would be a good idea to start the children out ........in the beginning....God.
Great illustrated books like an early reader would probably be a good idea rather than nursery
rhymes, etc.

Also, keeping the children in and around the home rather than at the mall, the theatre, the gym, etc for the first few months of their lives.

Singing worship songs about the Lord might be a good thing as that would invite the presence of the Lord into the home. It seems when we sing to Him and talk about Him...He shows up. "Where two or three are gathered in His name He will be in their midst.

I wish I would have known what I am suggesting to you when I was raising my children.

Babies and children who experience the "presence of the Lord" when very young always seem to know where "He " is and where He isn't!!!

Babies and children need to be protected from the outside world until they know how to handle the outside world with or without their parents.

What a rude awakening to America at this time in our existence! God is not in the thoughts of many of "our children" Many of them are heathens!
My children did have a "church inviorment" and Bible teaching, but our home was a little hectic
because I as a Mother worked...even though it was "a day care in my home"..I was busy and very tired. Let us pray for "more" Godly homes and day care centers (seems necessary).

With that said: I believe that if those of us who have the concern you have.. start praying about this matter changes can happen! Prayer is the first step in change. God wants exactly what you see to come to pass. "The fervent "PRAYER" of a righteous man (Mankind) availeth much. "If you abide in Me and I abide in You, you may ask what you will and it shall be done.....(quote: Jesus)

I believe any problem can be solved one home, one neighborhood, one city, one state, one nation, at at time, THUS "THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD SHALL FILL ALL THE EARTH"


I will be happy to be your prayer partner in this petition to The Lord. We can be very specific through Email. Our Lord sees the problem as you do and is waiting for us to ask His help. "IN ALL THY WAYS ACKNOWLEGE HIM AND HE SHALL DIRECT YOUR PATHS" The Lord IS quite interested in this situation Jesus prayed....as you know quite well, no doubt, "THY KINGDOM COME....THY WILL BE DONE IN EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN" I pray this for the situations you are writing about..
We can start by praying for wisdom and guidance through the Holy Spirit! I have always experienced "TRUTH SPOKEN IN LOVE IS SUCCESSFUL".
"TRUTH SPOKEN IN FRUSTRATION" gets us where MOSES ended up.....HE couldn't lead the people because He was a little (well maybe, a whole lot, ANGRY, with them). It seems you have a job the Lord has given you, and if it is tempered with consecration and prayer.....your leadership will OPEN DOORS OF MINISTRY to you!

I am a Mother of two Christian Children with two Christian "Children In Law" and 5 grandchildren. Prayer works and God responds to our faith!
I will be looking forward to your note.
What an adventure this can be!

I have not offered scriptures to give to the parents because I believe the Holy Spirit, when we pray...will direct you in your desire to help change a portion of Earth to be like the heavenly Kingdom. The WORD OF GOD IS QUITE POWERFUL AND IT WILL ACCOMPLISH THAT WHICH IT IS SENT TO DO!

11 parental responsibility and serving Note Bible general Archive 3 DocTrinsograce Sun 01/21/07, 10:34am 182734
  Hi, saved...

I'm a strong believer in good, solid catechesis for our children. Indeed, if the parents were catechized properly in their own faith, they would be taking proper responsibility in raising their children. The church frequently, though, tries to take on this responsibility. I've seen many churches offering a variety of children's programs for just such purposes. Instead, they should have intense training programs for the adults! How can we be right with God if we are assuming the roles He has mandated to us?

Anyway, recently, my grown son said, "Dad, you remember the Westminster Shorter Catechism you made me memorize before I turned 13? I just wanted to say, thanks! It has proven helpful more times than I can count."

As he spoke, I was reminded of this anecdote: Dwight Lyman Moody was once speaking to a crowded meeting of children in Edinburgh, Scotland. He began his talk with the question, "What is prayer?" Of course, he intended it to be a question that he'd give the answer to himself. Consequently, he was surprised when dozens of little hands shot up all over the room. He pointed to one little boy who gave the following immediate answer, "Prayer is an offering up of our desires unto God for things agreeable to His will, in the name of Christ, with confession of our sins and thankful, acknowledgment of His mercies." Moody, delighted, exclaimed "Thank God, my boy, that you were born in Scotland!" (I sadly doubt such training of children is common there now as it was in Moody's day.)

Along these lines, Charles H. Spurgeon wrote a wonderful book for parents and teachers on "the Christian training of children." It might be of interest to some of our forum members who work with children:


In Him, Doc

PS By the way, Matthew 18:20 isn't about prayer. It is about church discipline. Context is everything! :-)
12 parental responsibility and serving Note Bible general Archive 3 savedbyunmeritedfavor Sun 01/21/07, 2:54pm 182751

Thanks for your reply to my answer.

If you would in the future desire to "join" in prayer with me, I will take the time.

In the meantime, I will ask "The Lord" what He would have to say to you about the question you asked, and I will let you know ....(smile)

PS...Agreed...Matthew 18:20 (the context).

is about church discipline.

I believe the "principal" can be "applied" to prayer!

My oldest granddaughter, who turned 16 on Thursday of last week, and who is adopted, sometimes says when I give her (a scripture or a song) I received "from The Lord", (rhema) Grandma, "that touched MY HEART".

I am always happy when "THE HEART HAS BEEN TOUCHED" and not "JUST THE MIND".

I appreciate the kind, gentle, loving creator who made us because He wanted "fellowship" with us so together redeemed (Mankind and Holy Spirit) (in harmony) can dicipline our children "IN THE LORD".

And, "In Harmony" (agreement) bring order out of disorder on the Earth. When Christ is present there "Is Peace on Earth". When there is Peace in the Earth (We have this treasure in Earthen Vessels) We do the works of Christ. Let your light so shine among men that they see your good works and "GLORIFY YOUR FATHER" which is in Heaven.

We can teach our children about God. We can teach them to say the right thing. We can teach them to do good works like Niccodemus. We can dicipline them in "THE LAW" as The Apostle Paul was schooled.

However, when Jesus appeared to Paul on the road to Damacus, He said, "Who art Thou Lord..................'what would you have me to do"?

Paul found out that the Lord was Jesus. He KNEW "WHO" He was, but then Paul said after His conversion, "...That I might "know" Him in the "fellowship of His suffering" AND "the power of His ressurrection". (the real dicipline) (CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY)

His legal background was not enough.....It actually made him "Spiritually Proud".

Paul desired "to KNOW Him." (intimately in the Spirit....the God of the Law and the God of Grace. Paul prayed for the baptized believers "....that Christ might be formed in you". (He actually groaned in travail for this).

I am sure that Paul would pray that prayer for parents today.....

Then their children would "GLORIFY GOD" when they see their parents good works that come from the HEART.

Jesus Christ has all of our answers just as He did in the Gospels. "If you abide in My Word and My Word abide in you, you may ask what you will and IT SHALL BE DONE...."

Of course, the Law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. Keep up the good work!!!

Again, If you would in the future desire to "join" (hopefully in agreement)(smile) in prayer with me, I will take the time.

In the meantime, I will ask "The Lord" what He would have to say to you about the question you asked, and I will let you know.....(smile)

(Now we can go into the Holy of Holies and make our petitions known because of the blood of the covenant ....

"Ask and ye shall receive..seek and ye shall find....knock and it shall be opened unto you"(smile)

"To Him that hath shall more be given...to Him that Hath not, even that that He hath shall be taken away".(smile)

(To Be Conformed To The Image of Christ)

13 What is your favorite Bible edition? Answer Ps 119:105 Hank Mon 01/22/07, 5:01pm 182788
  John, yours is a hard question for me since here I sit so forlorn because I am so terribly torn between two favorite editions of the Bible. I'd be really hard pressed to pick and choose between these two editions of the Bible that I use and love so much. May I therefore be granted license to speak of both? But first I'd like to point out the commonality of the two editions. Both are bound in calfskin leather and are thread (Smythe) sewn. Both have proved to be durable. Both have clear and fairly large print (about 11-point size), making them easy on the eyes. Both are printed on excellent quality acid-neutral paper that does not allow the print to "bleed through" -- a defect that is all too common, and extremely annoying, with some Bibles that use a cheaper grade of ultra-thin paper that tends to be less opaque than the better papers. I never have got the hang of reading both sides of a page at the same time! ...... Now to look at each edition separately. The first of my pair of favorites is the King James Study Bible, published by Nelson. The annotations are written by a team of a dozen Bible scholars who are Southern Baptists, which may come as a surprise to some of our readers who didn't think we Southern Baptists had that many scholars :-) And the annotations are printed in a type font that is clear and nearly as large as the text itself, so no more squinting at microscopic print. The King James text is illumined considerably by the inclusion of marginal notes that update many of the difficult old words and phrases of the King James. This edition has all that one has learned to expect from a good study Bible - a fine set of maps in the back as well as in-text maps and charts, excellent introductions to all books of the Bible, a generous-sized concordance, a handy index of the annotations, a fairly detailed guide to Bible study, a useful 'harmony of the Gospels,' an exhaustive chart listing prayers of the Bible, etc. It's a remarkable library bound together in slightly over 2,000 pages. I don't find the size cumbersome to carry to study classes and worship services. It is not as skinny and light weight as the ultra-slims, but neither is it likely to cause eye strain like these tiny print Bibles can do. ....... The other favorite edition is the single-column reference edition of the NASB 1995 Update by Foundation Publications, the publishing arm of the Lockman Foundation, sponsor of this Study Bible Forum. The NASB is one of a scanty number of modern versions that I trust, and among modern versions it is my favorite. The edition has wide margins, a handy feature for those who like to make their own in-text notes. It has maps, a concordance, thousands of side references and a feature that I find especially helpful, translators' notes including a number of variant readings. ....... Sure it's subjective, but for me these two editions in a sense offer, to use a trite phrase, the best of both worlds. The King James Study Bible for sheer beauty of language that has never been matched or exceeded in English, and annotations and other helpful notes and charts that are sound and reliable. The New American Standard Bible, 1995 Update, side-column reference edition for a modern translation that has earned wide respect for being the most literally accurate translation in the English language today. I find myself engaging less and less in the "musical translations" game of flitting from one version to another in hopes of finding that perfect translation. It's too much like chasing rainbows and I think King Solomon would have called the practice 'vanity of vanities.' The story of Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8 holds a lesson that Christians who are obsessed with stocking up on every version that comes off the press would do well to meditate on. When Philip found the Ethiopian sitting in his chariot reading from the book of Isaiah, Philip asked him, "Understandest thou what thou readest?" And the Ethiopian replied, "How can I, except some man should guide me?" ..... So, as we all know, Philip then asked the Ethiopian, "Hast thou read this passage in the NIV and the NLT? Or peradventure thou wilt get the message better from the Message. Thine eyes wilt surely be opened and thy spirit quickened when thou readest from these." Well, this wasn't exactly the way Philip handled the situation with the Ethiopian, so perhaps we should all open to Acts 8, review the passage and find out exactly what went on in that chariot. As we read, it would be well to ask just who it was that told Philip to "Go near and join thyself to this chariot" ...... A final comment. Some people recoil at the idea of spending a hundred or more dollars for a fine edition of the Bible that should last for many years, but think nothing of spending 20 or 25 grand for a car that they will dump in three or four years -- if it lasts that long! --Hank
14 sin unto death what is it. Answer 1 John 5:16 kalos Wed 01/24/07, 6:28am 182839
  What is the sin unto death (1 John 5:16)

‘1 John 5:16 is one of the most difficult verses in the New Testament. Of all the interpretations out there, I have not found one that seems to answer all the questions concerning this verse. The best interpretation I have found is comparing this verse to what happened to Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5:1-10 (see also 1 Corinthians 11:30). The “sin unto death” is deliberate, willful, continuous, unrepentant sin. God, in His grace, allows His children to sin without immediately punishing them. However, there comes a point when God will no longer allow a believer to continue in unrepentant sin. When this point is reached, God sometimes decides to punish a Christian, even to the point of taking his or her life.

‘That is what He did in Acts 5:1-10, and 1 Corinthians 11:28-32. This is perhaps what Paul described to the Corinthian church in 1 Corinthians 5:1-5. We are to pray for Christians who are sinning. However, there may come a time when God will no longer hear prayers for a sinning believer for whom He has determined that judgment is due. It is difficult to realize that there are times when it is just too late to pray for a person. God is good and just, we will just have to let Him decide when it is too late and trust His judgment.’

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15 Jacob fights with God Answer Not Specified kudos Wed 01/24/07, 12:02pm 182850
  Hi all. I'm kudos and i happen to be new in this group!
I have a question about Jacob wrestling with the 'Angel'. I have read the previous responses to this but not yet satisfied. Anyone with any further insight to why a man will wrestle with God physically?
the prayer part i understand (Hosea 12:4), but this 'fight' I dont get.
16 Jacob fights with God (?)Answered Bible general Archive 3 kudos Wed 01/24/07, 12:02pm 182866
  Hi all. I'm kudos and i happen to be new in this group!
I have a question about Jacob wrestling with the 'Angel'. I have read the previous responses to this but not yet satisfied. Anyone with any further insight to why a man will wrestle with God physically?
the prayer part i understand (Hosea 12:4), but this 'fight' I dont get.
17 Jacob fights with God (?)Answered Gen 12:1 kudos Wed 01/24/07, 12:02pm 182878
  Hi all. I'm kudos and i happen to be new in this group!
I have a question about Jacob wrestling with the 'Angel'. I have read the previous responses to this but not yet satisfied. Anyone with any further insight to why a man will wrestle with God physically?
the prayer part i understand (Hosea 12:4), but this 'fight' I dont get.
18 Jacob fights with God Answer Bible general Archive 3 mark d seyler Wed 01/24/07, 4:17pm 182867
  Hi Kudos,

I can only really offer my opinions since this isn't spelled out in the Bible.

Perhaps Jacob perceived himself as "strong in his flesh" and the LORD wanted to show him that physical strength would not prevail.

The the LORD crippled him, forcing him to rely upon the LORD.

Jacob may not have realized the full significance of what was happening at first.

I hope this helps!

Love in Christ,
19 Will everyone who asks be saved? Answer Joel 2:32 DocTrinsograce Wed 01/24/07, 4:50pm 182870
  Dear Rusty,

Our brother Hobbs answers well... I'd add that one might argue that the saved are the only ones who "seek the Lord with all their heart." Certainly we know that some appear to be saved, but their falling away indicates that they were not really saved.

"And these are the ones sown on rocky ground: the ones who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with joy. And they have no root in themselves, but endure for a while; then, when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately they fall away." (Mark 4:16-17 ESV)

Note that Jesus goes on to say that the actual disciple is bears fruit (Mark 4:20). (Just a side note that in Bible times crop yields rarely exceeded ten fold. Therefore, the thirty, sixty, and hundred fold yields Christ speaks of were astonishing figures to His hearers.)

We often assure people of their salvation when we should be pointing them to Scripture. As Paul advises all believers, "examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith" (2 Corinthians 13:5). Praying a pre-written little prayer, walking the aisle, being baptized, joining a church, or even having sought the Lord for a season, do not a disciple make. "Easy believism" is, nevertheless, taught everywhere there are itching ears.

You might want to read the a post I wrote a while back about the traits that characterize disciples (post #153858).

In Him, Doc
20 Jacob fights with God Answer Gen 12:1 TheCurtMan000 Wed 01/24/07, 8:16pm 182879
  According to Gen. 12, Jacob was in a fearsome state of mind. He sent word of his coming to his brother, and his brother came out to meet him....with 400 men. Given the circumstances of their departure; that wasn't sounding to comforting. Jacob devised a plan and acted on it. Expecting trouble, Jacob devided up his belongings into two camps so that one might survive if the other one was attacted. Personally; at times, I'd rather face down any AND everybody else other than my adversary, including God. Jacob might have been feeling the same way. But scripture dosn't indicate this, neither does it indicate that at the forefront of this confortation that Jacob knew he was wrestling with God, but even if he did, Jacob knew that God wasn't going to kill him and his family, Esau on the other hand might do just that, at least in Jacob's mind he might.
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