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Results from: Answered Questions, Answers, Unanswered Questions, Notes
Contents include: "paradise"
On or After: Thursday, November 20, 2008
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Actual bodies in heaven? |
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1 John 3:2 |
DocTrinsograce |
Sun 02/22/09, 3:57pm |
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Dear Beja,
Theologians call the period of time after death and before resurrection as the "interim state."
"The bodies of men after death return to dust, and see corruption; but their souls, which neither die nor sleep, having an immortal subsistence, immediately return to God who gave them. The souls of the righteous being then made perfect in holiness, are received into paradise, where they are with Christ, and behold the face of God in light and glory, waiting for the full redemption of their bodies; and the souls of the wicked are cast into hell; where they remain in torment and utter darkness, reserved to the judgment of the great day; besides these two places, for souls separated from their bodies, the Scripture acknowledgeth none. (Genesis 3:19; Acts 13:36; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 5:1, 6,8; Philippians 1:23; Hebrews 12:23; Jude 6, 7; 1 Peter 3:19; Luke 16:23, 24)" --1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith (chapter 31, paragraph 1)
Note that the interim state is an abnormal state. Men were not meant to be beings separate from their bodies. Nor were men meant to dwell eternally in heaven. After glorification, when God restores His creation, men will again dwell upon the earth in the state for which they were created.
There is an erroneous teaching that is common today that believers will receive "new bodies" in glory. We believe in the resurrection of the body, not the creation of a brand new body. Certainly these resurrected bodies will be renewed in some distinctly unique ways. Even the resurrected bodies of the lost will have characteristics that will differ from how they were while they lived on the earth.
In Him, Doc |
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Actual bodies in heaven? |
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1 John 3:2 |
CDBJ |
Thu 02/26/09, 9:25pm |
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Greetings,
Very well taken but I believe we should take these “one” at a time if we are to concentrate on truth. Let’s, if we may, focus on the Lord’s location for starters just using scripture to solidify the correct answer.
I would like to suggest the following with regards to direction which is opposite of gravity, as it were.
Acts 7:55-56
But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; 56and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."
It wasn’t so distant that Steven couldn’t see and recognize Jesus but it was up.
2 Cor. 12:2
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago-- whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows-- such a man was caught up to the third heaven.
2 Cor. 12:4
was caught up into Paradise, and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.
1 Thes. 4:17
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Rev. 3:12
'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.
Rev. 12:5
And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
Rev. 12:12
"For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time."
Rev. 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.
These are a few off of the top of my head that point to the fact that heaven is actually “up”
CDBJ
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Is tithing a command for chriatians? |
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2 Cor 9:7 |
keliy |
Tue 03/31/09, 1:07pm |
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Hi John,
Thanks for the comforting reply. (o: Nice toknow that people are listening with open hearts and minds. What often brings discomfort is when we reason to ourselves that the heavens and the stars are the Lord's, and that this, our earthly home, is just a miniscule part of the creation. This mental error prompts thoughts that He holds little interest in this third rock from the sun, as He dwells in His royal palace high above.
So He beneficially reveals His heart in His Word to us, as He explains that the earth is His, this tiny sphere; and even though He has prepared His glorious throne in the heavens, His kingdom rules over all, and even the lowest worms are not free from His awareness.
When God graciously gave this world to the descendants of Adam, and then of Noah, He still withholds to himself the rights to His property, and only gives us, as stewards, the right of using and enjoying the profits of that which belongs to Him. This is referred to in the Latin as, "usus et fructus" or, use and enjoyment.
But it doesn't stop there, with the material property. We are also His property, body as well as soul.
The earth is the Lord’s and the fulness thereof. the world and those that dwell therein. (Psa 24:1)
We are not to consider ourselves to be our own, "All souls are mine", says God (Eze 18:4), for He is the Potter that formed these vessels from clay and the Father of our spirits. Even our tongues are not our own; they are to be at his service, per the sibling-servant James. Even those that do not know Him are His.
For this reason we are not to focus our desires towards the wealth of this world, the praise of others, or the delights of our senses, This is what causes the shipwrecks that you mention. It is when our desires are in conflict with our heavenly Father's desires, which is what caused our first parents to be expelled from paradise.
Thank you, John, it was a pleasure to hear from you.
keliy |
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Is tithing a command for chriatians? |
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2 Cor 9:7 |
keliy |
Sat 04/4/09, 3:18pm |
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Beja,
Thank you for your responses which are continuing to make this into a very interesting thread.
I would like to clarify my views to you, since I get the feeling from reading your posts that you are in disagreement with my post for reasons that simply do not exist. May I begin by quoting you from your post to Val:
"Rather the view point which I would commend to you sees the entire of scripture
as one plan,
with one end (the cross),
exalting one figure (christ.) "
I was not trying in my post to say that there was anything more than one plan,
nor do I exalt any more than Christ,
however, the 'end' which you describe above,
-to me it is only the beginning of the end.
I have brought to this forum before my viewpoint of the entire Bible as being God's plan for the redemption of mankind.
In the first chapter, we have man and God together in paradise and all is good, very good.
In the last chapter of the Bible, we have man and God together in paradise for eternity.
So what we have in God's plan for redemption is a Master Plan, not a series of failed plans.
If I may be allowed the liberty to quote you again,
"The view that the old testament was a series of failed dispensations between God and man
in my opinion leaves us with a horribly malnourished view of scripture and sense of God.
I would like to bring up now from Merriam Webster's the (first of three) definition of dispensation, for your consideration:
1 a: a general state or ordering of things ;
specifically : a system of revealed commands and promises regulating human affairs
b: a particular arrangement or provision especially of providence or nature
Now if I could ask you to pay particular attention to the word "System" I would like to offer the example of our own digestive "System". This is nothing more than a group of individual organs that work together to produce one function.
This is done not by simultaneous action, but in a sequential order. First the body dispenses saliva into the food and later dispenses enzymes to further separate the good from the bad.
So, upon adopting this viewpoint, God's plan becomes a systematic arrangement of promises rather than a series of failed dispensations.
Thank you for your consideration,
Lord bless
keliy |
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Did Jesus soul accend into heaven or |
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NT general |
Vintage68 |
Sun 04/5/09, 7:00pm |
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Hi fireout57
Jesus did say to the thief which was also crucified with Jesus.
Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Vintage68
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Do the dead praise God? |
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Luke 16:23 |
Searcher56 |
Thu 04/9/09, 6:02pm |
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God's day to you, humility,
Another Lazarus was in Abraham's bosom, and the opposite is Hades.
In Luke 23:43 Jesus told the thief that He would see him in Paradise.
When we absent from the body (dead) we will be present with the Lord (2Co 5:6-8).
I don't see that we will be in Heaven.
Searcher
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Do the dead praise God? |
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Luke 16:23 |
Vintage68 |
Thu 04/9/09, 9:21pm |
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Hi Searcher56
Where will we be, if not Heaven
1.) Bosom of Abraham?
2.) Paradise?
3.) The presence of the Lord?
Vintage68 |
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paradise |
(?)Answered |
NT general |
-shane-- |
Thu 04/9/09, 10:36pm |
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Where was Paradise at that Time.
Shane |
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paradise |
Answer |
NT general |
Val |
Thu 04/9/09, 11:01pm |
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Dear Shane, it was a place called Sheol which contained two compartments. One was Paradise also called Abraham's bosom and the other was Hades. Paradise was closed as Ephesians states He took them with Him to heaven. Eph 4:8 Therefore it says,
"WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH,
HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES,
AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN."
Sincerely, Val |
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paradise |
Note |
NT general |
-shane-- |
Sat 04/11/09, 7:49am |
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Then when Jesus told the thief that he would be in paradise with Him He was not refering to heaven. So the anwser to the original question was that Jesus did not go to heaven until after the resurection. |
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paradise |
Answer |
NT general |
BradK |
Sat 04/11/09, 8:46am |
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Hello Shane,
Easton's defines it this way: "Paradise — a Persian word (pardes), properly meaning a “pleasure-ground” or “park” or “king’s garden.” (See EDEN.) It came in course of time to be used as a name for the world of happiness and rest hereafter (Luke 23:43; 2 Cor. 12:4; Rev. 2:7). For “garden” in Gen. 2:8 the LXX. has “paradise."
Robertson notes, "Today shalt thou be with me in Paradise [Semeron meta emou esei en toi paradeisoi]. However crude may have been the robber’s Messianic ideas Jesus clears the path for him. He promises him immediate and conscious fellowship after death with Christ in Paradise which is a Persian word and is used here not for any supposed intermediate state; but the very bliss of heaven itself. This Persian word was used for an enclosed park or pleasure ground (so Xenophon). The word occurs in two other passages in the N.T. (II Cor. 12:4; Rev. 2:7), in both of which the reference is plainly to heaven. Some Jews did use the word for the abode of the pious dead till the resurrection, interpreting “Abraham’s bosom” (Luke 16:22f.) in this sense also. But the evidence for such an intermediate state is too weak to warrant belief in it."
In Him,
BradK |
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Earthly Image of the Heavenly |
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1 Cor 15:47 |
DocTrinsograce |
Sat 06/6/09, 3:52pm |
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"Creation is an image of the re-creation or regeneration of all things. The earthly is image of the heavenly. The temporal is image of the eternal. The first man, who is of the earth, earthy (1 Corinthians 15:47), is indeed the lord of the earthly creation under God, servant of the Lord, his covenant friend; he is prophet, to know Him and to proclaim His virtues, to declare and glorify His name; priest, in order to love Him from the heart and with all his powers; king, to rule over all creatures in God's name and under Him. The first man is also an image of Him who was to come, the Lord out of heaven (v47), through whom man, recreated in Him, will presently rule in heavenly glory.
"The first paradise is the image of the eternal paradise of God that will presently be revealed in the new heavens and the new earth. The tree of life in the first paradise is an image of the eternal tree of life in the midst of the paradise of God (Revelation 2:7). The whole creation is a revelation of God: 'The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth His handiwork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.' (Psalm 19:1-2).
"Not only does all creation show the power and wisdom of God, His eternal power and Godhead (Romans 1:20), but for the one who has eyes to see and behold all things in the light of God's revelation, it also points to the final accomplishment of the counsel of God in eternal glory... The earthy, according to the will of God, is adapted to the heavenly; the earthy is image of the heavenly." --Herman Hoeksema |
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and you will be like God |
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Gen 3:5 |
DocTrinsograce |
Fri 06/12/09, 5:21pm |
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Hi, Flinkywood...
Such questions cannot be answered from Scripture. Consequently, nothing can be offered save speculation. I guess the speculation itself can be weighed in the light of the Word. However, asking if Adam was "a coward" is a highly subjective. Therefore, you should expect only subjective answers.
Nonetheless, if you would like to quote the early church, Augustine exclaims, "O wretched freewill, which, while yet entire, had so little stability!" Or moving ahead another handful of centuries, Bernard of Clairvaux asked, "Since we read that a fall so dreadful took place in Paradise, what shall we do on the dunghill?"
In Him, Doc |
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and you will be like God |
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Gen 3:5 |
azurelaw |
Fri 06/12/09, 5:57pm |
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Bernard of Clairvaux asked, "Since we read that a fall so dreadful took place in Paradise, what shall we do on the dunghill?"
Amen, Doc.
Sadly that most Christians (include me) are so ignorant about it in such a so-call peaceful world. I remember the book (by Neil Postmans) title "Amusing ourselves to death". We are so much alike the apostles who fell asleep in the Garden of Gethsemane where Jesus urged "keep watching and pray..."(Mat 26:41)
Shalom
Azure |
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Eternal life promised by God? |
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Titus 1:2 |
Lexus |
Fri 07/31/09, 6:27am |
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There is a written promise in the Bible at Psalms 37:9-11 and also Revelation 21:3,4 of God's promise to restore earth to Paradise. His original purpose was for man to live forever. He did not create Adam and Eve for a temporary stay -they did not heed God's command and therefore mankind inherit sin and die (Genesis 2:16) His plan has always been for us to have "eternal life." |
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Eternal life promised by God? |
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Titus 1:2 |
dwilliamson |
Fri 07/31/09, 8:30am |
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Thank you Lexus
That's an interesting point in relation to the Garden of Eden/Paradise.
I would agree that God's original intention will always have it's fulfilment. Someone has said "God's first thought is His final thought!" While Satan appears to have gained a victory by the entrance of sin, God will see to it that every vestige of sin is removed from His creation. (See Romans 8v19-21 "For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.")
This balance of things in Gods purpose is interesting - See eg. 1 Corinthians 15v21-22 "For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive."
I hadn't perhaps related that to the immediate context because the promise of eternal life spoken of here was "BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN" (KJV).
I think the answer has been given to my mind by Searcher in a previous post - I will think about what has been said on this forum but!
Thank you brother
In Him
David |
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no more animal sacrifice |
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Heb 8:13 |
DocTrinsograce |
Wed 09/30/09, 6:36pm |
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The orthodox Christian response to this question is consistent from the various theological traditions:
"From the Holy Gospel, which God Himself first revealed in Paradise (Gen. 3:15),afterwards proclaimed by the holy Patriarchs and Prophets (Gen. 22:18; 49:10-11; Rom. 1:2; Heb. 1:1; Acts 3:22-24; 10:43), and foreshadowed by the sacrifices and other ceremonies of the law (John 5:46; Heb. 10:7), and finally fulfilled by His well-beloved Son (Rom. 10:4; Gal. 4:4-5; Heb. 10:1)." --Heidelberg Catechism
"The covenant of grace was administered under the Old Testament, by promises (Rom. 15:8), prophecies (Acts 3:20, 24), sacrifices (Heb. 10:1), circumcision (Rom. 4:11), the passover (1Cor. 5:7), and other types and ordinances, which did all foresignify Christ then to come, and were for that time sufficient to build up the elect in faith in the promised Messiah (Heb. ch. 8-10; 11:13), by whom they then had full remission of sin, and eternal salvation (Gal. 3:7-9, 14)." --Westminster Larger Confession
"Although the price of redemption was not actually paid by Christ till after His incarnation, yet the virtue, efficacy, and benefit thereof were communicated to the elect in all ages successively from the beginning of the world, in and by those promises, types, and sacrifices wherein He was revealed, and signified to be the seed which should bruise the serpent's head (1 Cor. 4:10; Heb. 4:2; 1 Peter 1:10-11); and the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Rev. 13:8), being the same yesterday, and to-day, and for ever (Heb. 13:8)." --London Baptist Confession of Faith
"Although the work of redemption was not actually wrought by Christ, till after his incarnation; yet the virtue, efficacy and benefits thereof were communicated to the elect in all ages, successively from the beginning of the world, in and by those promises, types and sacrifices wherein he was revealed and signified to be the Seed of the woman, which should bruise the serpent's head, and the Lamb slain from the beginning of the world, being yesterday and today the same, and for ever. " --Savoy Declaration of Faith and Order
"This covenant was differently administered in the time of the law, and in the time of the gospel (2 Cor. 3:6-9) under the law, it was administered by promises, prophecies, sacrifices, circumcision, the paschal lamb, and other types and ordinances delivered to the people of the Jews, all foresignifying Christ to come (Heb. 8-10; Rom. 4:11; Col. 2:11-12; 1 Cor. 5:7); which were, for that time, sufficient and efficacious, through the operation of the Spirit, to instruct and build up the elect in faith in the promised Messiah (1 Cor. 10:1-4; Heb. 11:13; John 8:56), by whom they had full remission of sins, and eternal salvation; and is called the old testament (Gal. 3:7-9, 14; Psa. 32:1-2, 5).
"Under the gospel, when Christ, the substance (Col. 2:17) was exhibited, the ordinances in which this covenant is dispensed are the preaching of the Word, and the administration of the sacraments of baptism and the Lord's Supper (1 Cor. 1:21; 11:23-25; Matt. 28:19-20): which, though fewer in number, and administered with more simplicity, and less outward glory, yet, in them, it is held forth in more fullness, evidence and spiritual efficacy (Heb. 12:22-24; 2 Cor. 3:9-11; Jer. 31:33-34), to all nations, both Jews and Gentiles (Luke 2:32; Acts 10:34; Eph. 2:15-19); and is called the new testament (Luke 22:20). There are not therefore two covenants of grace, differing in substance, but one and the same, under various dispensations (Gal. 3:8-9, 14, 16; Rom. 3:21-22, 30; 4:3, 6-8, 16-17, 23-24; 10:6-10; Heb. 4:2; Gen. 15:6; Psa. 32:1-2; 1 Cor. 10:3-4)." --Westminster Confession of Faith
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