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Results from: Answered Questions, Answers, Unanswered Questions, Notes
Contents include: "forgiveness"
On or After: Wednesday, September 2, 2009
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Why? |
Note |
Luke 5:23 |
Wild Olive Shoot |
Mon 09/14/09, 4:05am |
218412 |
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John,
No, you communicated it well, you said it was a moot question and I thought it very relevant.
The question was why wasn't this man healed physically when the cause for his sickness, his sin, was forgiven and I expanded on that a bit as to why that doesn't happen in every case. I never stated you implied he was not healed, please re-read my post.
We don't know when this man was physically healed, like you stated, but we know he was at some point very close if not at the time the words were uttered, is what I was stating. We also know that when we are forgiven, we are not healed physically as this man was.
One can read the passage and easily assume that forgiveness can also mean physical healing and I wanted to point out that is not the case without simply disregarding the question as being moot.
Are your sins forgiven John? Do you still have physical conditions that exist? When the underlying cause of those conditions were resolved, did they go away? Why not?
That's where I think this question was relevant. You may think there isn't any relevance but to others, including me, it is a question well worth some time to look into.
Stand in His grace,
WOS |
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Why? |
Answer |
Luke 5:23 |
AWilliamson |
Mon 09/14/09, 4:58pm |
218422 |
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Dear nthnobdvs,
I think some have touched on the reasons why the forgiveness of sins was first. Firstly, because it was the priority, physical healing is in second place to spiritual healing (I think this suggests a moral order that is often seen in Luke).
People can be forgiven sins without the consequences of their sins being completely undone. They can have spiritual healing without physical healing (untli the redemption of the body anyway! Romans 8).
As a preacher I know sometimes puts it "God can forgive you your sins but your body will never forgive you".
Praise God, he can heal - but the most important, and the lesson the people needed to learn was that the Lord's authority extended, not only to the casting out of demons, the calming of the storm and the removal of diseases but HE had authority to FORGIVE SINS - what a Saviour we have!
In Christ,
Andrew |
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peace through the forgivenss of sins |
Answer |
Not Specified |
LovemyLord7 |
Tue 09/15/09, 8:14am |
218425 |
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scripture on "we have peace through the forgiveness of sins" Thanks |
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peace through the forgivenss of sins |
(?)Answered |
Ps 85:10 |
LovemyLord7 |
Tue 09/15/09, 8:14am |
218437 |
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scripture on "we have peace through the forgiveness of sins" Thanks |
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What does He mean? |
Answer |
Luke 5:23 |
flinkywood |
Tue 09/15/09, 5:10pm |
218436 |
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I've read the exchanges below. Great stuff. It's what SBF is for.
The Temple and it's priests were the OT channels of forgiveness. Jesus pointedly upends this by offering himself as this channel under his divine authority. His NT mission, the fulfillment of God's OT promise, was the forgiveness of sins:
"Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." (Jer 31:31-34 ESV)
In addition, it seems that because disease was associated with sin, Jesus used this opportunity, this miracle, to link his power to heal the body with his divine power to heal the soul. The Pharisees would have seen this as omninous blasphemy.
These verses in conjunction with, "When the crowds saw it, they were afraid, and they glorified God, who had given such authority to men." (Mat 9:8 ESV) are suitable to deploy against Jehovah's witnesses, with the leading question, "Can a man forgive sins?" |
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peace through the forgivenss of sins |
Answer |
Ps 85:10 |
azurelaw |
Tue 09/15/09, 6:51pm |
218438 |
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Dear Love---
I believe the below verses are helpful:
Psalm 85:9-10
Roman 5:1
Hebrew 12:9-11
Shalom
Azure |
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peace through forgiveness |
Answer |
Not Specified |
LovemyLord7 |
Wed 09/16/09, 9:56am |
218453 |
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scripture on how we have peace through the forgiveness of sins |
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peace through forgiveness |
(?)Answered |
Rom 5:1 |
LovemyLord7 |
Wed 09/16/09, 9:56am |
218477 |
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scripture on how we have peace through the forgiveness of sins |
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peace through forgiveness |
Answer |
Rom 5:1 |
AWilliamson |
Thu 09/17/09, 7:32am |
218478 |
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Dear LovemyLord7,
There are a number of verses which speak about forgiveness of sins, such as Paul, preaching about the Lord Jesus in Acts 13v38-39
"Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses."
Peace is also in a number of scripture verses, the message we bring is called the "Gospel (Good News) of peace" (Romans 10v15, Eph 6v15)
Take time to trace out the "God of Peace" as well in scriptures.
The best verse that brings many of these thoughts together is probably
Romans 5v1 "Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ".
Just note however Justification and forgiveness of sins not quite the same.
Justification involves being declared righteous before God - it views GOD AS JUDGE, yet (because of the Cross) he can pass a "not guilty verdict" on anyone who believes in Christ.
"Forgiveness of sins" - views GOD AS OFFENDED PARTY, our sins have been against him, but he forgives us our sins (again because of the death of Christ).
How wonderful it is to be forgiven, justified, reconciled to God, sealed with the Spirit, secure in His hand etc etc,
And all this is ours the moment we trust the Lord Jesus as Saviour.
(take time also to distinguish between "the peace of God" which we can enjoy in our hearts (Philippians 4v7) and "peace with God" (Romans 5v1), which is the cessation of hostilities between us and God (this has nothing to do with our feelings, but with facts).
I hope this helps,
Andrew |
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interpretation of Numbers 21:4-6 |
Answer |
Num 21:8 |
Searcher56 |
Wed 09/23/09, 8:53pm |
218583 |
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God's day to you, Grace Smith, and welcome to the SBF,
You could look at these few verses, where you see people complain and the Lord acts. There is no grace here. He has the right to act that way.
However, if you look at verse 7, the people admit they sinned ... then in verse 8, God has Moses make a bronze serpent.
Read Judges to see this cycle.
Those who lokked at it lived (vs 9). It was pointed out in another thread this is a typology of Christ (John 3:14-15).
I pointed out later Israeal worshipped the snake and it was destroyed (2Ki 18:4).
This may be part of the the medical ensignia.
I say don't speak against God or complain ... if you do ask for forgiveness.
S |
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Have I messed up with Jesus? |
Note |
Ex 30:13 |
Edd |
Tue 09/29/09, 8:51am |
218692 |
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READ THE CHAPTER HEB.10, IT’S ADDRESSING ANIMAL SACRIFICES FOR FORGIVENESS OF SIN. NEVER SAID ANIMAL SACRIFICES WAS SALVATION FOR PEOPLE. PERHAPS YOU MISUNDERSTOOD THE MAIN POINT, SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION. |
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no more animal sacrifice |
Note |
Heb 8:13 |
YenIsaRap |
Tue 09/29/09, 2:19pm |
218697 |
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Dear Tim
You are right of course, "The animal sacrifices did not save anyone in the first place." I on the other hand was referring to the forgiveness of sin, now we are at cross purposes sorry:-(
Forgiveness of sin, and Salvation are not synonymous
If I may rephrase the questions.
This statement was made recently.
"Since Christ paid the price for our sin on the cross. no more animal sacrifice for sin is acceptable."
1 Did God honor the sacrifices made by the Jewish people, (for the forgiveness of sin) until the destruction of the Temple?
2 Will God again honor the sacrifices of the Jewish people, (for the forgiveness of sin) when they are reinstated, after the rebuilding of the Temple?
These sacrifices were instituted by God for the people, in Exodus. The Temple was not destroyed until 70 ad. this was 35 yrs. after the sacrifice of Jesus. The people still sacrificed until that time.
We are told, the Temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem in the end times, will God again honor the sacrifices of the people, made at this new Temple until the Abomination of Desolation stands in the Holy Place?
We know a New Covenant was made, but the Jews "did not," we know there is now a New Covenant in force, but the Jews "do not".
God Bless
YenIsaRap |
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no more animal sacrifice |
Note |
Heb 8:13 |
Morant61 |
Tue 09/29/09, 2:53pm |
218698 |
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Greetings YenlsaRap!
Thanks for your response my friend!
You stated that forgiveness of sins and salvation are not synonymous, but according to Eph. 1:7, they are synonymous:
Ephesians 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace
Col. 1:14 says the same thing, while Luke 1:77 also connects salvation and forgiveness of sins.
All through Acts, the same connection is made. If one is saved, his sins are forgiven.
But, even if you still believe there is a difference between the two, Heb. 10:18 specifically says:
Hebrews 10:18 And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin.
Your Brother in Christ,
Tim Moran |
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no more animal sacrifice |
Note |
Heb 8:13 |
YenIsaRap |
Tue 09/29/09, 4:15pm |
218700 |
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Dear Tim
You can't have it both ways Tim, in your first post you stated.
"1) The animal sacrifices did not save anyone in the first place." And I concur, with your statement, but they did gain forgiveness of sin.
Now in your second post you state.
"You stated that forgiveness of sins and salvation are not synonymous, but according to Eph. 1:7, they are synonymous:" Again I concur with your statement, but that event only becomes a reality in the New Covenant, not the Old.
That brings us to the crux of my question.
My question is asked in reference to, and only to the people, the nation of Israel, those people that did not follow Jesus, but continued in the practice of Judaism after the Crucifixion of Jesus, until the final destruction of the Temple in 35 ad.
I guess you are saying, the Jewish people were not granted forgiveness of their sins after 35 ad.
No matter the fact they followed the laws set down. Was the forgiveness of their sins only dependant upon the fact something was sacrificed?
Or was it because they believed God at His word, that if they did sacrifice in such a manner, they would gain forgiveness of sin?
Gal 3:12
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Therefore if the people did continue to live by the law, did God honor their sacrifice for sin, thereby granting them forgiveness of their sins according to the law?
Your Brother in Christ
Yen
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no more animal sacrifice |
Note |
Heb 8:13 |
Searcher56 |
Tue 09/29/09, 7:49pm |
218707 |
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Yen,
2 Will God again honor the sacrifices of the Jewish people, (for the forgiveness of sin) when they are reinstated, after the rebuilding of the Temple?
Yes, read millennium sacrifices in Ezekiel 40:38-39, 45:13-17 ... chapters 40-46 is about the new temple and "worship".
S |
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no more animal sacrifice |
Note |
Heb 8:13 |
YenIsaRap |
Tue 09/29/09, 10:07pm |
218719 |
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I would like for everyone to fully understand my position on this subject.
I am a born again believer in Jesus Christ. The sacrifice which he made for me, for the forgiveness of my sins, and the Grace of God whereby I have received Salvation.
I have not stated that I believe the sacrifices of the Law, conducted at the Temple by the Jews, should be reinstated, I do not advocate this practice for followers of Jesus Christ as something that we as believers should do, besides the fact we can't, even if we wanted to, on the grounds the Temple, the only place where sacrifices of that sort can be made, DOES NOT EXIST!
The original question was posed. Because when Jesus was Crucified, the Temple was still standing, and would be for another 35 yrs. There were Jews that kept the old traditions, and the laws, during that time.
Question: Did God honor those sacrifices until 70 ad.?
Then I had the thought. The Temple will be rebuilt in the end times, the sacrifices will be reinstated, for a three and one half year period of time, until the Abomination of Desolation happens.
Question: Will God Honor those sacrifices at that time?
The answer does not negate, nor diminish anything that Jesus accomplished for all mankind.
It's just a question about "A People", that did not believe the Messiah had come, and continued in the Law, until this day, and will into the future, until Jesus returns. On the Jewish calendar the yr.is 5770 their still waiting for Messiah.
Just a question, not a new doctrine.
Gods Love
YenIsaRap |
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Should "lost" people come to church? |
Answer |
Luke 5:31 |
Edd |
Wed 09/30/09, 11:50am |
218732 |
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Perhaps,we are talking about two different churches, one Church is you must be born into, Jesus refer to being born again to enter. "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Jn 3:3 Conformation of one entering into the universal eternal life church is the seal of the Holy Spirit "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby you are sealed to the day of redemption" Ephesians 4:30. The other Church is an organization “the four walls” your local assembly which may consist of believers and non-believer, but it is not the actual Church. In the actual church all have come to Christ and are saved, in the world's organization called church and God only knows who is really present. An invitation join is often given to the congregation of the local Church, but only Jesus can adopt an individual into his royal family of God “Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will" Ephesians 1:5. which is the makeup of the universal true Church. The Church was form and started after the disciples were filled with the Holy Spirit,some met in homes/houses, quite different from a religious gathering, which is often referred to as church. We are not all in the local assembly or with a particular name branded group, but are all under the umbrella of Jesus. “In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins” Colossians 1:14. Even though, we’re to forsake not to assembly ourselves together, to worship and praise God. Remember Job 1:6 “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.” There may be some non-believers in the assembly attend the local church service. Jesus said “Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn." Keep in mind what Jesus said to the disciple in John 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? Follow thou me. |
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no more animal sacrifice |
Note |
Heb 8:13 |
Searcher56 |
Wed 09/30/09, 3:33pm |
218735 |
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God's day to you, Yen,
1 Did God honor the sacrifices made by the Jewish people, (for the forgiveness of sin) until the destruction of the Temple?
Yes - God gave the command to sacrifice (Lev 1:1-6:7, 23:13,37). There are exceptions to the yes (Isa 29:13, Mar 7:6-7). I don't read anywhere to stop sacrificing.
Searcher |
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universalism? |
Note |
Luke 23:34 |
YenIsaRap |
Sun 10/18/09, 2:59pm |
218957 |
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Dear Brad
I'm sorry, but I have to say I totally disagree with your quote as far as who Jesus was praying for.
"Jesus evidently is praying for the Roman soldiers, who were only obeying, but not for the Sanhedrin."
This statement of Mr. Robertson's is rather limiting considering the work Jesus accomplished, in reading the prophesy of Isaiah 53:10-12 where Jesus v.10 becomes an offering for sin, v.11 by His knowledge He shall justify many, v.12 He was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
All three of these verses indicate Jesus was asking forgiveness for all mankind, for all time. For even we today do not know what we have done.
In Him
YenIsaRap
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universalism? |
Note |
Luke 23:34 |
Dhaniei Zewditu |
Sun 10/18/09, 9:50pm |
218965 |
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Yensisa,
I have to stand by your interpretation for the most part. Yeshua DID indeed spill the blood and purifying water for all mankind. It is up to each man individually to receive the atonement.
If those words of forgiveness did not include the Sanhedrin, then the whole rest of the NT is a lie. (I think I'll not touch on the statement made about those who were "just following orders." That one hits a little too close to home to tackle.)
Dhaniei |
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